[Downtown Victoria] Crystal Garden Block announcement
#41
Posted 10 March 2008 - 06:57 PM
Neither possibility makes much sense because it is supposed to be a skyline study after all. What validity does a skyline study have if you don't include/remove the tallest buildings?
For the record, it seems like the Chateau Victoria is also missing from that rendering. Again, it doesn't make much sense for it not to be there.
#42
Posted 10 March 2008 - 07:58 PM
Trauma, as "an abnormal event causing profound feelings of fear, anger, and devastation" (source), requires denial, repression, erasure...
I'm being mildly facetious, but maybe only mildly so, because you have to wonder when something so obviously there is literally denied.
#43
Posted 10 March 2008 - 08:21 PM
-City of Victoria website, 2009
#44
Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:00 PM
#45
Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:04 PM
For the record, it seems like the Chateau Victoria is also missing from that rendering. Again, it doesn't make much sense for it not to be there.
I think it's there just to the right of The Fall's 18-storey tower.
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#46
Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:55 PM
#47
Posted 11 March 2008 - 10:30 AM
You can take a better look at the model of Chateau Vic on slide 17. It's there, but it certainly appears to be a wonky reproduction (the roof is strangely shaped and the tower appears a little slimmer than it ought to, but perhaps it really is that way).In image #36 it should be slightly to the left of the Falls. At least some portion of it should be visible, unless they're smack on top of each other. Which doesn't seem right, does it?
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#48
Posted 11 March 2008 - 10:58 AM
Kudos to them for including the lowrise condo/Sport Chek building on Broadway. I also like that one. It's one of those buildings that seems so Victorian, and yet it's in Vancouver (and Langford wants to emulate it).
Haven't we seen that pic of the streetscape with the rapid buses on this site before?
#49
Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:44 AM
#50
Posted 11 March 2008 - 09:59 PM
It was a simple oversight due to the following reasons:
- the building data is stored by neighbourhood and loading the data for more than one neighbourhood taxes the computer that renders the image.
- the focus of this slide was the Crystal Block's impact on the immediate skyline. The James Bay highrises are far away (as the crow flies) and it didn't occur to anybody to include it as it wasn't a study of Victoria's skyline as a whole.
However, a skyline study is useless without our tallest building. If the Crystal Block was the focus of the study then they should have zoomed in on the left of the picture.
I find it quite ironic myself, as a professional illustrator trained in both traditional and computer techniques. This new technology was supposed to bring clarity to urban studies. A mistake like this would have been quite impossible back in the days when artists produced skyline studies from photographs or actual observation. Yet in this day when renderings are produced not by artists but by computer technicians, laughable gaffes like this appear to be considered par for the course.
#51
Posted 12 March 2008 - 06:40 AM
#52
Posted 12 March 2008 - 01:36 PM
On a related note: I just want to add that this isn't the first time I've noticed the "erasure" of Roberts and Orchard Houses. Can't remember where else it was, but I'm sure it's not the first time.
#53
Posted 12 March 2008 - 03:27 PM
#54
Posted 12 March 2008 - 05:04 PM
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#55
Posted 22 May 2008 - 06:55 AM
http://www.canada.co...f7-05df86585684The city of Victoria is aiming to have a development plan for lands around the Crystal Garden in place by the fall.
Land development consultants have until May 29 to submit proposals on preparing some of the city-owned land in the area for sale or development, and to create a "cultural precinct" on the bowling green and the Cridge Park areas suitable for uses such as an art gallery, a children's museum and green space.
According to the city's website spelling out details on the request for proposals, the successful consultant will have three months to come up with a plan for two distinct land parcels in the Crystal Garden block. One parcel, called the Apex site, is a wedge-shaped lot at Douglas and Humboldt streets. The city calls the site "ideal for commercial development," while the second site, taking in the lawn bowling green and Cridge Park, "would be suited for cultural uses."
Since Starfish Glassworks is gone a glass gallery & bigtime hotshop would be cool.
#56
Posted 22 May 2008 - 11:19 AM
The article in today's TC framed the entire debate pretty well. City has an expanded convention centre..... needs additional parking. Offers up prime piece of real estate on Douglas to leverage underground parkade in Cridge Park. Offers up vague promises of future home to community groups on top to counter opposition from historic users and tree huggers. Community groups have no money to develop anything so are all now appealing to Province for cash.... but won't get any because business plans are poor and site not suitable. Bowlers and church members intentionally kept out of the loop so they couldn't submit realistic business plan are now portrayed as victims. Council and Ministries starting to hear a lot of noise from general public (not regular visitors of this site) sympathetic to retaining green and are starting to get nervous. With elections in offering things could get messy.
Suggest President of DRA starts finding out how this is going to play out before publicly endorsing any proposal.
#57
Posted 22 May 2008 - 03:46 PM
People say I they have an idea, community freaks out, people back away from idea.
if you think something is good say it and damn the torpedoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#58
Posted 22 May 2008 - 05:05 PM
The Provincial government this week announced a funding commitment for a new Vancouver Art Gallery in the amount of $50 million! Victoria doesn't want special treatment. We just want our fair share.
#59
Posted 22 May 2008 - 09:08 PM
Sounds like DRA already leans strongly towards the Art Gallery proposal. Are you actively involved in their campaign? If so can you advise if Cridge Park has been specifically targeted as the ideal location for a downtown satellite... or just a random opportunity which might suffice?
To quote G-man.... damn the torpedoes.
#60
Posted 22 May 2008 - 09:56 PM
I was in support of the Gallery's plan from years ago to set up a satellite gallery on the Y-Lot site (Astoria/Belevedere/Marriott). There is strong support for having the gallery in the south of Downtown, in the area designated as the tourist precinct and there are very few sites where this would be possible.
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