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#1081 lanforod

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:44 AM

They can't get used if they aren't there. I live in Sannich right now and one reason I don't like it is it lacks walk-ability big time. No sidewalks in the burb I'm in (as well as no pedestrian friendly location nearby) equates to no walking anywhere. Build it and they will come. The proof of that is Esquimalt road. A pedestrian walking along that road was a rare site indeed before they added the landscaped buffer beside the sidewalk....

There are certainly places where sidewalks make sense. The type of residential neighborhoods we have been talking about, not so much. Your residential area I don't know, but if there isnt anything to walk to and lots of non local traffic it probably doesn't need sidewalks or bike lanes. It is an unnecessary expense. I suspect they are building with sidewalks in Royal Bay, but it really isn't needed.
On arterial and main roads for sure. Hence my complaint about Wilkinson not getting completely finished with both Bike and sidewalks.

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#1082 nagel

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:54 AM

There are certainly places where sidewalks make sense. The type of residential neighborhoods we have been talking about, not so much. Your residential area I don't know, but if there isnt anything to walk to and lots of non local traffic it probably doesn't need sidewalks or bike lanes. It is an unnecessary expense. I suspect they are building with sidewalks in Royal Bay, but it really isn't needed.
On arterial and main roads for sure. Hence my complaint about Wilkinson not getting completely finished with both Bike and sidewalks.

Of course it's needed in Royal Bay.  They actually have a centralized shopping area as part of the plans.  I don't have the distances at hand, but it can't be more than a 10-15 minute walk from anywhere in the new community.  If you want people to walk to this amenity, you have to make it safe.

 

In my area I live 2.5km from the nearest retail store.  The one that was 200 metres away closed, likely because there's no safe way to walk to it from many neighbourhood streets that may have been ok to walk on in the past but are not anymore given Langford residents' ratrunning antics.  Then there's kids walking to school on the sides of collector roads, essentially in the ditch because there's no sidewalks.  In Saanich this problem reaches right into the core, such as on Saanich Road itself.  Engineering has done some ingenious workarounds to make Saanich more walkable (multi-use paths everywhere) but it will take a long time for us to recover from the damage done by poor planning in the past, much of which is poor land use planning. 


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#1083 nagel

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:42 AM

Cherrypicking the 2017 CoV budget:

 

3.4 million in gas tax grants received.

 

Expenses:

 

  • Bridges 260K
  • Roads 1.2M
  • Signs 1.2 M
  • Signals 600L
  • Major street rehab 1.4M
  • Local dtreet rehab 1.1
  • General street infra 1.7 M
  • Bridges for 2017 (capital) 8.5M


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 11:07 AM

Drivers pay far more than you might imagine. Each year we pay more in gas taxes on Vancouver Island than what we get back in road building and maintenance.

 

Every couple of years someone on this forum throws that inane myth around and it takes me about twenty minutes to dig out and format the provincial R/E sheets to disprove it.  Seeing this come from our fearless leader is something of a surprise.


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#1085 sebberry

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 12:11 PM

 

Cherrypicking the 2017 CoV budget:

 

3.4 million in gas tax grants received.

 

Expenses:

 

  • Bridges 260K
  • Roads 1.2M
  • Signs 1.2 M
  • Signals 600L
  • Major street rehab 1.4M
  • Local dtreet rehab 1.1
  • General street infra 1.7 M
  • Bridges for 2017 (capital) 8.5M

 

 

We're spending as much on signs as on roads?  How many more 40k signs do we need?  

 

I don't see a road paint line item... 


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#1086 nagel

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 12:12 PM

We're spending as much on signs as on roads?  How many more 40k signs do we need?  

 

I don't see a road paint line item... 

I think the roads line is for minor repairs.  the rehab is more of an overhaul.



#1087 RFS

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 01:25 PM

We're spending as much on signs as on roads? How many more 40k signs do we need?

I don't see a road paint line item...


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#1088 Mike K.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:31 PM

Every couple of years someone on this forum throws that inane myth around and it takes me about twenty minutes to dig out and format the provincial R/E sheets to disprove it. Seeing this come from our fearless leader is something of a surprise.


Oh, I've said this multiple times over the last two years.

If you can show me $2.5-billion in car-related expenses over the last ten years I'll concede my position, but in all of the years we've had these discussions that hasn't happened yet.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:36 PM

Oh, I've said this multiple times over the last two years.

If you can show me $2.5-billion in car-related expenses over the last ten years I'll concede my position, but in all of the years we've had these discussions that hasn't happened yet.

This post was moved, thread consolidation I think. Mike, is it a simple or difficult task to discover what its current URL is?

 

http://www.vibrantvi...html#post218283


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#1090 Mike K.

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 07:43 AM

That must have been back when we had vBulletin, going by the very different syntax of that link. That would have been some six years ago, I believe.


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#1091 UrbanRail

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 10:11 AM

Been trying to follow this thread, but we seem to have gone way off topic, which is unusual since Mike and his band of moderators are usually pretty anal about that. Why not a thread on gas taxes?

Oh and there has been a Christy Clark sighting in Oak Bay, officials have advised parents to keep small pets and children indoors, apparently she was spotted following voters into the municipality.
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#1092 UrbanRail

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 03:35 PM

Increased optimism about future of commuter rail service from West Shore

Commuter service from the West Shore to downtown along the E&N Rail corridor could be coming sooner than later, according to Langford Mayor Stew Young, who has been speaking with B.C. Transportation Minister Todd Stone and BC Transit about options.

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http://www.goldstrea.../414918584.html
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#1093 Bingo

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 06:53 PM

 But Young is confident an opportunity still exists to move on an idea that has been the subject of circular discussions for the better part of a decade.

“From what I’m seeing, there is no other option except to get some people moving on that transportation corridor.”

http://www.goldstrea.../414918584.html



#1094 Mike K.

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 08:26 AM

Here's the thing.

 

Langford has the most to gain from marketing the potential for rail running from their community to downtown Victoria. It's not about a physical transportation alternative, it's all about the coming soon lines that can be used to sell homebuyers on Langford and the Westshore. That's all it boils down to.


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#1095 UrbanRail

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 09:22 PM

i still see it as a positive. for once in the last 2 decades that i and many others who have worked on this, something good could come of this.


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#1096 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:22 PM

Announcement at Admirals and Colville E&N track tomorrow.

 

Rail is coming (if you elect the Liberals and they keep the promise).


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#1097 nagel

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:23 PM

Technically the tail is already there.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:29 PM

✪ BREAKING. A news conference will take place tomorrow at 9am on the E&N rail line at Admirals and Colville. It's expected that the province will announce commuter rail is coming. (If you elect the Liberals).

 


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:38 PM

One might almost think an election is nigh what with all these popular goodies being promised.


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#1100 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:38 PM

Province expected to announce commuter rail service for Capital Region

 

 

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