[FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Makes me glad I am too "over the hill" to be part of club culture anymore.
Me too, and I'm only 25. Not once have I ever set foot in a night club.
Posted 09 July 2009 - 03:06 PM
[FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3]Makes me glad I am too "over the hill" to be part of club culture anymore.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 03:09 PM
YOU make the decision to enter the bar that is trying to protect you from being in the company of known gang members that may have "open" contracts on them. When you have an open contract on you, everyone is free to try to kill you and collect the money from the gang that issued the order. I don't want to dance in front of him right at the instant the bullet heads towards him.
You know how the police issued the warning not to be near those brothers in Vancouver? Because they had open contracts on them...
...so, if you see no benefit, then go to Hush or V-Lounge and take your chances. Red Scorpion gang members are already here.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 03:22 PM
YOU make the decision to enter the bar that is trying to protect you from being in the company of known gang members that may have "open" contracts on them. When you have an open contract on you, everyone is free to try to kill you and collect the money from the gang that issued the order. I don't want to dance in front of him right at the instant the bullet heads towards him.
You know how the police issued the warning not to be near those brothers in Vancouver? Because they had open contracts on them...
...so, if you see no benefit, then go to Hush or V-Lounge and take your chances. Red Scorpion gang members are already here.
Posted 09 July 2009 - 03:45 PM
You do realize that it is illegal to record a conversation between two people without their consent, right? While your staff might be aware of their conversations being recorded, patrons aren't.
Posted 09 July 2009 - 04:15 PM
There is signage, that's all that is required.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 04:32 PM
Now if the wait staff actually TOLD patrons that their conversations were being recorded, do you think people would get a little uneasy feeing?
While I consider myself to be a fairly observant person, I don't normally search the building for little disclaimers that my conversations are being recorded.
Yet another reason why I am glad I have no interest in visiting such establishments.
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Posted 21 July 2009 - 08:22 PM
Yeah but you leave the part out about Facebook telling Ms. Stoddard to take a hike!
Posted 21 July 2009 - 08:59 PM
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Posted 21 July 2009 - 10:50 PM
I have an idea.
Instead of collecting raw information such as name, address, DL#, etc... configure the system to generate a unique ID based on a hashing algorithim of the information collected from the scanning of the DL.
Anytime the DL is scanned it generates the same unique ID because the information in the DL is the same.
If the patron is kicked out, the licence is flagged in the system along with notes of the incident and if the DL is scanned at another establishment, they'll still be prompted of the poor behavior.
No personal information is collected or stored, just a non-reversible hash ID of the information stored on the DL.
Posted 22 July 2009 - 05:27 AM
Instead of collecting raw information such as name, address, DL#, etc... configure the system to generate a unique ID based on a hashing algorithim of the information collected from the scanning of the DL.
Posted 22 July 2009 - 07:54 AM
Posted 22 July 2009 - 03:51 PM
Ins't that essentially encrypting the data, which Treoscope claims they do? They, of course, routinely unencrypt it. In any case, you have to trust that the unique id is lossy, or trust them to never unencrypt it.
In any case, the commisioner's ruling seems pretty straight forward. You can keep performing the scans, but you can't store the information for more than a day unless a patron is blackballed. Hardly seems like a difficult change.
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Posted 22 July 2009 - 03:53 PM
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Posted 23 July 2009 - 07:29 AM
Victoria bars will continue to swipe IDs
Privacy watchdog's ruling applies only to Vancouver club, they say
By Katie Derosa, Times Colonist
July 23, 2009 6:02 AM
Victoria bars will continue to swipe patrons' IDs and take their photos despite a ruling that collecting personal information as a condition of entry violates privacy laws.
"We are going to conduct business as usual based on a venue-specific decision," Victoria Bar and Cabaret Association spokesman Scott Gurney said yesterday.
He said his organization believes the ruling made Tuesday by B.C. Information and Privacy Commissioner David Loukidelis applies only to the Vancouver bar that was the subject of the original complaint. In that ruling, Loukidelis ruled that the TreoScope system used at Wild Coyote Club in Vancouver violated the Personal Information and Privacy Act by forcing customers to provide personal information before entering the bar.
Two weeks ago, the Victoria bars implemented their own Bar Watch program, using the TreoScope EnterSafe system, which scans people's IDs and takes their photos before they enter.
A privacy expert says although Loukidelis's decision centres around the one complaint made five years ago, it has wide-reaching implications.
"If any bar is collecting similar amounts of information through the Treoscope technologies, then they are clearly in violation of the privacy law," said University of Victoria political science professor Colin Bennett.
He said anyone could go into a bar that uses the technology, register a complaint with the commissioner, and the ruling would be the same.
The B.C. Civil Liberties Association predicts that's exactly what will happen in Victoria. Association's policy director Micheal Vonn said she is "positive" complaints about local bars will flood into Loukidelis's office.
Still, TreoScope president Owen Cameron insisted the ruling will not affect Victoria bars even though the Treoscope systems used here collects and stores a patron's name, age, driver's licence number and expiry date -- as did the one at Wild Coyote. Cameron said the software has been upgraded several times since it was examined by the privacy commissioner and there have been changes to how much information is collected and how long it is stored.
He said the stakeholders will meet with Loukidelis with the hope of reaching a compromise that allows the Treoscope system to continue with modifications that meet privacy laws.
Although Loukidelis ruled that he has not seen any evidence that suggests patrons are more safe because of the technology, Cameron said he is sure new statistics from Vancouver and Nanaimo, where Bar Watch programs have existed for more than two years, will persuade him otherwise.
"It's incumbent upon bar owners to demonstrate to the commissioner that what they are doing in other bars collects less information," Bennett said.
Alberta's Bar Watch program faced similar problems when the province's privacy commissioner, Frank Work, deemed that scanning licences is a privacy violation.
The Alberta government reached a middle ground, with legislation that enables bars to take the names and ages of patrons, and to snap photos, but denies them the right to swipe ID.
The Wild Coyote Club has 30 days to appeal the decision to the B.C. Supreme Court.
Club manager Greg Bell said management will read the report before deciding.
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