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[Bingo]

I think the whole interchange thing could have been less trouble if they just closed McKenzie back at the Pat Bay Highway.

[jonny]

I'm glad it sounds like they are going with Option 2 as it's by far the most efficient for motor vehicles.

[malahatdrive]

I think this refinement is an improvement - but still has some problems that need to be dealt with

The southbound transit stop location is a problem. You have lots of traffic streaming off the highway southbound to get to Admirals Rd in the morning - and it looks like the transit stop uses this right turn lane. So a bus will block the right turn lane when a bus is stopped and then have to cross the lane to get to the hov lane at the light. Seems very poorly thought out.
The right turn lane should go south of the transit area or the transit stop should be moved across the street to the traffic island on the east side of Admirals. I will see if I can think of a better design.

 

The northbound bus stop is better but I hate the idea of stairs to connect the transit stop to the goose bridge. Seems very backward thinking to me - it should be a back-and-forth ramp instead.

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[nagel]

I think this refinement is an improvement - but still has some problems that need to be dealt with

The southbound transit stop location is a problem. You have lots of traffic streaming off the highway southbound to get to Admirals Rd in the morning - and it looks like the transit stop uses this right turn lane. So a bus will block the right turn lane when a bus is stopped and then have to cross the lane to get to the hov lane at the light. Seems very poorly thought out.
The right turn lane should go south of the transit area or the transit stop should be moved across the street to the traffic island on the east side of Admirals. I will see if I can think of a better design.

 

The northbound bus stop is better but I hate the idea of stairs to connect the transit stop to the goose bridge. Seems very backward thinking to me - it should be a back-and-forth ramp instead.

It is a problem.  But they don't want peds going to that island so they aren't going to have the stop there.  They may be able to solve the problem with two lanes in the off ramp, one being exclusive for buses so no wait to access the stop.  Then after the stop the bus would get an advance light to cross Admirals and continue east.

 

There is a non stair route for the other stop, by going up the sidewalk on McK to the multi use trail then doubling back on that trail.  Much longer but will work for those with mobility issues.

[amor de cosmos]

tc story
http://www.timescolo...tions-1.2183989

McKenzie Interchange Diamond Rendering by B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, on Flickr

McKenzie Interchange Diamond Map by B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, on Flickr

McKenzie Interchange Parial Cloverleaf Map by B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, on Flickr

McKenzie Interchange Parial Cloverleaf Rendering by B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, on Flickr

how would someone with a scooter or bike get to the bus stop here? I think the sidewalk should be extended to the level part of the trail to make that bus stop more accessible. I don't even know what the long way around would be here, I guess they could go through the trees & come out on the mckenzie side? there's no close-up of the bus stop on the southbound side.
McKenzie Interchange - Galloping Goose Trail rendering by B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, on Flickr

[UrbanRail]

noticed that in order to get a bus from the Goose, since there is no ramp just stairs, it will suck for people with mobility issues

[UrbanRail]

is that a pond in the middle of the cloverleaf, sure would hate to be a fish or bird in that

[nagel]

Sidewalk up McKenzie then multi use trail back to goose, for wheelchairs. Otherwise elevator and they ain't putting that in.

[57WestHills]

Several people brought up the accessibility issue for non-motor vehicle traffic yesterday. Let's be honest the province has made up its mind on what it's doing and this is a show parade - honestly I don't have a huge issue with that - however, I do hope there continues to be some refinement around transit, future rapid transit, and pedestrian movement.

One thing I hadn't even considered until yesterday's open house was the pedestrian impact on the three schools that are right there. There was some valid, but unfortunately overly emotionally presented, points brought up by parents. I guess the current overpass for pedestrians would be gone. It adds actually a fair bit of distance to cross over to Admirals now. Also a portion of Portage will be removed regardless of which option is used.

[nagel]

Several people brought up the accessibility issue for non-motor vehicle traffic yesterday. Let's be honest the province has made up its mind on what it's doing and this is a show parade - honestly I don't have a huge issue with that - however, I do hope there continues to be some refinement around transit, future rapid transit, and pedestrian movement.

One thing I hadn't even considered until yesterday's open house was the pedestrian impact on the three schools that are right there. There was some valid, but unfortunately overly emotionally presented, points brought up by parents. I guess the current overpass for pedestrians would be gone. It adds actually a fair bit of distance to cross over to Admirals now. Also a portion of Portage will be removed regardless of which option is used.

Yeah overpass is gone because it's not long enough or wheelchair friendly, and the new one will require a bit more of a walk because it's really sharing purposes with people who want to continue up McKenzie as well. I don't see a logical fix and think the overpass location is ok.

[UrbanRail]

Several people brought up the accessibility issue for non-motor vehicle traffic yesterday. Let's be honest the province has made up its mind on what it's doing and this is a show parade - honestly I don't have a huge issue with that - however, I do hope there continues to be some refinement around transit, future rapid transit, and pedestrian movement.

One thing I hadn't even considered until yesterday's open house was the pedestrian impact on the three schools that are right there. There was some valid, but unfortunately overly emotionally presented, points brought up by parents. I guess the current overpass for pedestrians would be gone. It adds actually a fair bit of distance to cross over to Admirals now. Also a portion of Portage will be removed regardless of which option is used.

 

 

Yeah I noticed that the bus lane is intact coming up to the overpass going east in the diamond version, but is missing in the cloverleaf version, so buses have to navigate traffic to head back to the highway from the overpass in option 2 but not in option 1.

[G. Hanson]

Yeah I noticed that the bus lane is intact coming up to the overpass going east in the diamond version, but is missing in the cloverleaf version, so buses have to navigate traffic to head back to the highway from the overpass in option 2 but not in option 1.

Don't forget though that the Diamond option also requires all the northbound McKenzie traffic to use that exit, hence the need for a dedicated transit lane. On the cloverleaf option, the only other users of that exit would be vehicles turning south onto Admirals. According to the Ministry's figures it's only 3% of all inbound traffic that heads south on Admirals so I don't think it would be too much of an issue (if any at all) for busses to continue back onto the TCH. 

[G. Hanson]

As for the Goose issue, it would absolutely ridiculous if the Ministry cannot find a bit of extra money to build a ramp up to the Goose from the NE transit stop where the stairs are. Build a ramp with a low grade heading back towards Tillicum right at the base of the proposed stairs. It's so simple it's ridiculous it wasn't included in these plans. 

[lanforod]

As for the Goose issue, it would absolutely ridiculous if the Ministry cannot find a bit of extra money to build a ramp up to the Goose from the NE transit stop where the stairs are. Build a ramp with a low grade heading back towards Tillicum right at the base of the proposed stairs. It's so simple it's ridiculous it wasn't included in these plans. 

I get that people are saying this, but I don't see how a ramp would be much shorter than going around down to McKenzie. If it is much shorter, the grade would be quite steep.

[D.L.]

Plus it would create another intersection of sorts on to the Goose, something which I think should be avoided in that location. Refer to this image here and consider what type of traffic patterns another connection to the Goose would create here - https://www.flickr.c...015251/sizes/h/

[Danma]

is that a pond in the middle of the cloverleaf, sure would hate to be a fish or bird in that

Somehow I think it'll be okay. Hundreds of rabbits thrive a minute west of here...

[Coreyburger]

The pond is for water quality, catching run-off from the road.

[Bingo]

The pond is for water quality, catching run-off from the road.

 

Hardly a symbiotic relationship, rabbit poo run-off and water quality.

[Coreyburger]

Hardly a symbiotic relationship, rabbit poo run-off and water quality.

Rabbit crap doesn't pollute water. Oil and heavy metals from cars does.

[lanforod]

Rabbit crap doesn't pollute water. Oil and heavy metals from cars does.

 

I'll avoid drinking both rabbit crap water and bike lube oil and heavy metal polluted water thank you very much! IE. your definition of polluted is subjective.