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[sebberry]

The operator is required by law to put his signal on to warn others of his intention which was to pull away from the stop into the travel lane

 

Ya, he is, but Mike hit the nail here.  The driver shouldn't have made an attempt to move into the highway traffic. 

 

It also drives me nuts that busses lined up in front of deckers use their 4-ways while stopped.  I don't know if you're pulling out or sitting there with your 4-ways on.

[tedward]

Astronauts go days without bathroom breaks, can't transit drivers train their bodies the same way?

 

Um... no, astronauts do no such thing.

 

http://www.space.com...-explained.html

[VicHockeyFan]

Um... no, astronauts do no such thing.

 

http://www.space.com...-explained.html

 

It was a joke, tedward...  

[aastra]

Making a joke on this board is like not pissing in the wind.

[Baro]

I've been reading all sorts of articles and studies based on bus stop distance and after looking at victoria's core we could really use a re-planning of bus stops as ours are WAY too close together.  You do not need a stop every block,  our stops tend to be on average about 200m apart but closer to 300m is a lot more ideal.  It might mean you need to walk an extra minute or two to the closest bus stop,  but it means your bus will get you where you're going much much faster by increasing the service speed.

 

Of course when you have stops spaced out every 200m you can't just close every other stop,  then you'd have 400m spacing and that's getting near the upper limit.  You'd end up having to re-site a majority of the stops, and that would be expensive.  Yet in many cases taking  a route that has 50 stops and replacing it with one that has 30 stops could drastically increase the route's speed and capacity.  Really even 400m would be fine,  that's the typical spacing in a lot of cities who have transit systems designed actually to move mass numbers of commuters rather than exist for more political or social reasons.

 

But it could be a long term project with the city and bc transit working together to better space stops out when streets are re-done.  For example the reconstruction of fort st. could also see the bus stop spacing increased from 200 to 300 meters.  Could also free up a few new parking spots to make up for the few removed in the plan.

Edited by Baro, 01 May 2017 - 12:56 PM.

[AllseeingEye]

/\......interesting coincidence you mentioning this: I was idly thinking just last week about this question, and wondering if BCT was either trying to social engineer us or perhaps were in possession of a study indicating modern humans are as slothful and out of shape as many others claim?

 

On my run (#14 Craigflower-UVic) it frankly amazes me that we can't apparently go even - literally - 2 blocks without stopping. We literally seem to do so every 100 meters or so, and at most every other block.

 

I was curious whether that was the norm across the system or some anomaly peculiar to that route. I guess not. One can only imagine the p/a costs associated with bus/wheel/tire/brake maintenance resulting from the perpetual 'stop and go' (not to mention the rider irritation factor).

[VicHockeyFan]

In more suburban areas they seem to be able to go a lot further.  That's the odd thing.

[Mike K.]

Which routes have stops only 200 metres apart outside of the downtown core?

[Mike K.]

...On my run (#14 Craigflower-UVic) it frankly amazes me that we can't apparently go even - literally - 2 blocks without stopping. We literally seem to do so every 100 meters or so, and at most every other block.

 

I think that's mostly a misconception. Very few stops are actually ~200m apart along the 14's route:

 

Bay @ Douglas to next Rock Bay/Govt: 200m

Rock Bay/Govt to Turner: 500m

Turner to Tyee: 450m

Tyee to Catherine: 350m

Catherine to Pine: 350m

Pine to Coventry: 300m

Coventry to Carrie: 350m

Carrie to Arcadia: 190m

Arcadia to Lampson: 220m

[Nparker]

...in many cases taking  a route that has 50 stops and replacing it with one that has 30 stops could drastically increase the route's speed and capacity...

Remove all the stops except the first and the last and the route would move at lightening lightning speed.

Edited by Nparker, 01 May 2017 - 04:21 PM.

[Rob Randall]

^Lightening speed meaning gradually less dark?

 

I wonder how many bus stop locations are left over from the streetcar routes? A lot, I bet.

 

We already discussed earlier the bus routes left over from the streetcars, the the 22 Haultain.

 

I don't know if there are any surviving route numbers.

[Kungsberg]

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I wonder how many bus stop locations are left over from the streetcar routes? A lot, I bet.

 

We already discussed earlier the bus routes left over from the streetcars, the the 22 Haultain.

 

I don't know if there are any surviving route numbers.

 

Don't know the bus routes well enough to comment offhand, but here are the streetcar routes.

 

I was going to post these on grantpalin's Victoria Fantasy Transit Map thread (everything old is new again kind of idea), but it might as well go here now!

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[Rob Randall]

^Interesting; so the #3 has always been a Downtown/James Bay route.

[VicHockeyFan]

Shelburne is the only street they just got straight.  "OK, you know what, this is going dead straight from here!"  -  R.H. Shelbourne. 

[Kach]

Which routes have stops only 200 metres apart outside of the downtown core?

 

The 27 through Gordon Head has a few stops spaced less than 200m apart.

[grantpalin]

The 27 through Gordon Head has a few stops spaced less than 200m apart.

Certainly true on Gordon Head Road. Ridden that route many times.

[Mike K.]

Shelburne is the only street they just got straight.  "OK, you know what, this is going dead straight from here!"  -  R.H. Shelbourne. 

 

And even it is off by a few degrees from true north, so they kinda fudged it.

[UrbanRail]

^Lightening speed meaning gradually less dark?

 

I wonder how many bus stop locations are left over from the streetcar routes? A lot, I bet.

 

We already discussed earlier the bus routes left over from the streetcars, the the 22 Haultain.

 

I don't know if there are any surviving route numbers.

There is still a streetcar shelter at Camosun College on Richmond. The 22 Haultain was never a streetcar route, it was originally a bus route, the old #10 route.

[ryno8097]

No they do not, On Sundays they receive `1.5 times their wage.

Yes I know this. I fluffed up on quoting someone else. Yes you are right! 😆

Edited by ryno8097, 07 May 2017 - 06:23 AM.

[ryno8097]

/\......interesting coincidence you mentioning this: I was idly thinking just last week about this question, and wondering if BCT was either trying to social engineer us or perhaps were in possession of a study indicating modern humans are as slothful and out of shape as many others claim?

On my run (#14 Craigflower-UVic) it frankly amazes me that we can't apparently go even - literally - 2 blocks without stopping. We literally seem to do so every 100 meters or so, and at most every other block.

I was curious whether that was the norm across the system or some anomaly peculiar to that route. I guess not. One can only imagine the p/a costs associated with bus/wheel/tire/brake maintenance resulting from the perpetual 'stop and go' (not to mention the rider irritation factor).

The industry standard is to have a bus stop approximately every 400m for local services, 800m for express-type services. But there are many variables that must be factored in when placement of stops is finalized - including demographics of a region (or neighbourhood/corridor).