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[sebberry]

http://www.saanichpo...d-speed-reports

 

Wow, looks like CARS has a point!!! 

 

Oh, wait. Compliance is pretty good.  Unpossible! 

[rjag]

Wow, looks like CARS has a point!!! 

 

Oh, wait. Compliance is pretty good.  Unpossible! 

 

Yup, replacing emotion with data shows that most roads there isnt a problem....CARS will hate this

[LJ]

Those bad drivers running red lights in Richmond were undercover anti-gang police following a suspect vehicle.

[sdwright.vic]

At two different intersections?

[Mike K.]

Yup, Van Police say they were lawmen.

[Star Dust]

I was at a red light at Tillicum & Craigflower last week when I was surprised to see a COP at the window of my car peering in at me.  I guess this is just one of their methods for checking to see if you are using a cell phone or if you have your seat belt on.  Caught it on my Dash Cam.  He was just strolling between cars.

 

https://youtu.be/eLHRRGDAOAo

Edited by Star Dust, 09 February 2018 - 05:58 PM.

[Cats4Hire]

 

B.C.’s attorney general has hinted that distracted drivers could possibly lose their privileges behind the wheel.

Speaking with Shane Woodford of Radio NL on Friday, David Eby was asked whether, in cracking down on distracted driving, the province might consider taking a page from impaired driving enforcement and implement immediate roadside prohibitions.

“Absolutely,” Eby said.

“We’re escalating the penalties and consequences of distracted driving to try and to try to get the message through to this hardcore group that just will not put their phones down.

https://globalnews.c...s-its-possible/

Edited by Cats4Hire, 09 February 2018 - 06:22 PM.

[rjag]

^ so he's still fixated on penalties through false interpretation of the data....

[LJ]

To heck with the roadside prohibitions, take their cellphone away.

[todd]

To heck with the roadside prohibitions, take their cellphone away.

How would you report a distracted driver then?

[LJ]

^Semaphore.

[todd]

^Semaphore.

[sebberry]

I was at a red light at Tillicum & Craigflower last week when I was surprised to see a COP at the window of my car peering in at me.  I guess this is just one of their methods for checking to see if you are using a cell phone or if you have your seat belt on.  Caught it on my Dash Cam.  He was just strolling between cars.

 

https://youtu.be/eLHRRGDAOAo

 

And this is exactly why you don't use $1,000+ penalties, IRPs, impounds, etc... to punish cell phone users. 

 

Good idea to be using your phone while stopped at a light?  No.  Worthy of the punishments they're talking about?  Hardly.

 

For everyone using their phone at  light, there's someone else using it while operating a moving car.

[Star Dust]

And this is exactly why you don't use $1,000+ penalties, IRPs, impounds, etc... to punish cell phone users. 

 

Good idea to be using your phone while stopped at a light?  No.  Worthy of the punishments they're talking about?  Hardly.

 

For everyone using their phone at  light, there's someone else using it while operating a moving car.

 

 

Last weekend I was listening to an Excellent interview on C-Fax with a retried police officer who is against ticketing cell phone users while at red lights etc.  Boy, you should have heard the interview, and the statistics he pulled up to PROVE that the actual amount of deaths in BC Caused directly by cell phone use distraction is actually extremely LOW in comparison to all the other kinds of distracted driving accidents.

 

You see, distracted driving is a definition this retired cop wants to change in BC Laws because it involves too many aspects. Things such as eating while driving, looking down to change the station on your radio, reaching over to grab your cup of coffee from the coffee holder etc.  And he gave stats on how many accidents in BC were caused by alternative forms of distracted driving other then cell phone use, and they out-numbered the accidents caused by cell phone distraction by quite a bit.

 

Great interview.  And I hope he is able to get through to our Minister of Transportation.

[sebberry]

Do you recall when that interview was? Wonder if they have it recorded.

 

When even David Eby can't call it by its proper term, there's no hope.  There's a big disconnect between the lawmakers at the top and what's happening on the ground. 

 

IMO, if you're using a phone in a non-moving car, the cop should have to prove distraction before writing a ticket (fail to get moving for a green light for example).

[Star Dust]

Do you recall when that interview was? Wonder if they have it recorded.

 

When even David Eby can't call it by its proper term, there's no hope.  There's a big disconnect between the lawmakers at the top and what's happening on the ground. 

 

IMO, if you're using a phone in a non-moving car, the cop should have to prove distraction before writing a ticket (fail to get moving for a green light for example).

 

It must have been last Saturday or Sunday. I was driving around and can't remember what time it was on C-Fax, but it was a Dam good interview.  This retired COP even took it to the TOP Brass of the RCMP for BC and they refused to acknowledge him. and this guy was actually HEAD of traffic for years.. He spoke all about it in the interview. One of the best interviews I've heard on C-Fax since they got butt hurt and fired Ian Jessop.  Best bet is to send C-fax an e-mail and ask them

Edited by Star Dust, 09 February 2018 - 11:53 PM.

[Cats4Hire]

While I agree it is excessive for at a red light I never understood why people need to have their phone out at a red light. I've always just put my phone in my pocket and left it there while driving. If I need a GPS I set it before I leave or pull over.

[Mike K.]

Folks lie about the cause of accidents. I ran into a colleague just the other day who admitted he was using his phone and smashed into a truck.

Distracted driving is anything related to not looking at the road ahead of you. Like shoulder checking.

[Lorenzo]

Last weekend I was listening to an Excellent interview on C-Fax with a retried police officer who is against ticketing cell phone users while at red lights etc.  Boy, you should have heard the interview, and the statistics he pulled up to PROVE that the actual amount of deaths in BC Caused directly by cell phone use distraction is actually extremely LOW in comparison to all the other kinds of distracted driving accidents.

 

You see, distracted driving is a definition this retired cop wants to change in BC Laws because it involves too many aspects. Things such as eating while driving, looking down to change the station on your radio, reaching over to grab your cup of coffee from the coffee holder etc.  And he gave stats on how many accidents in BC were caused by alternative forms of distracted driving other then cell phone use, and they out-numbered the accidents caused by cell phone distraction by quite a bit.

 

Great interview.  And I hope he is able to get through to our Minister of Transportation.

I heard that interview. The guy was a career traffic cop, who worked for several jurisdictions over his career. I didn't find him particularly credible. Strangely enough he now works for a law firm that defends people charged with MVA offences. Red flag to me. Can't remember exactly when it was.

[VicHockeyFan]

The guy seemed to have the stats.  I'm unclear what his point was exactly though.  I'd guess that anyone that checks their cellphone at a red light is also more likely to check it while rolling.  Unless you are a dispatched delivery driver I'm unclear why you need to check it so often.  And in that case, have a nice big dash display. 

 

   

 

And Mike is right, who is going to admit to using a phone after a crash, and then get hit with more penalties?   

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 10 February 2018 - 08:48 AM.