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#961 Mike K.

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 09:10 AM

I'm currently in a large Canadian city that does not allow panhandling on its downtown streets. The homelessness issue is not front and centre like it is in Victoria and that's primarily because the business community and the police do not tolerate it. In fact, there are posters in buildings asking people to not give money to panhandlers but instead to help fund agencies that provide food and services. Those services are also NOT clustered in the downtown core and prime business centre.

Victoria is starting to get a reputation as a place where the homeless congregate and social disorder is not only tolerated, but welcomed. And that's incredibly bad for business for a town so dependent on tourism.

So while councillor Madoff regales us with stories of how visitors whom only she somehow encounters ONLY bemoan Victoria's changing urban development patterns, the rest of the country is asking what the heck has happened to the City of Garden's that has been known for time immemorial as a pleasant, safe city.
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#962 tedward

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 09:50 AM

Where people and money are?  Saanich has more people, and more wealthy people.  What it does not have is free handouts.

 

Sure, but they are spread out to far. For someone who claims to know how business operates you show a lack of understanding of the importance of location. 

The free handouts came AFTER the homeless in case you forgot. The timeline is roughly: homeless beg on busy pedestrian streets, handouts are provided near to where the homeless are already congregating, word spreads and more homeless come where they can get more, more services are provided, repeat the last two until a solution is found.

 

Implying Saanich has somehow solved homelessness is ridiculous. 


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#963 Mike K.

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:02 AM

Speaking of business, I'd wager the industry is now so large on the south Island that eradicating the issue and forcing hundreds (if not thousands?) of direct and indirect workers to seek alternate employment is not feasible.

Managing the homeless issue has led to a vary large and a very healthy industry in Victoria. Proof of this is how Woodwynn Farms has been received and how it's been (un)supported.

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#964 LJ

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 07:59 PM

Back when I had an STR they called it something different.

That was an STD for gawds sake.


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#965 todd

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:26 PM

That was an STD for gawds sake.

 

From the STR?



#966 tjv

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 02:47 PM

I'm currently in a large Canadian city that does not allow panhandling on its downtown streets. The homelessness issue is not front and centre like it is in Victoria and that's primarily because the business community and the police do not tolerate it. In fact, there are posters in buildings asking people to not give money to panhandlers but instead to help fund agencies that provide food and services. Those services are also NOT clustered in the downtown core and prime business centre.

Victoria is starting to get a reputation as a place where the homeless congregate and social disorder is not only tolerated, but welcomed. And that's incredibly bad for business for a town so dependent on tourism.

So while councillor Madoff regales us with stories of how visitors whom only she somehow encounters ONLY bemoan Victoria's changing urban development patterns, the rest of the country is asking what the heck has happened to the City of Garden's that has been known for time immemorial as a pleasant, safe city.

Oak Bay is one such municipality.  I remember once a panhandler was on Oak Bay Ave (Oak Bay side), within minutes 4 police cars showed up and promptly took the panhandler to the border.  Does Oak Bay have a homeless problem?  no, because they harass them and they don't come back

 

Bottom line panhandlers and homeless need to be harassed by the police on a regular basis.  Sleeping in a doorway of a private business - arrest them and spend a few hours on jail for trespassing, etc.  



#967 MarkoJ

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 12:43 PM

Self terminating leases bypass pretty much all tenant rights,  it's something the bcndp promise to fix but not fast enough.  At the end of your lease they can kick you out, change your rent to anything they want, and you have no legal recourse.

 

I own a few condos downtown and have a suite in my personal house and I think the self-terminating leases are extremely unfair to tenants and should be banned. On my properties I always use 1 year leases the revert month-to-month and do not self-terminate. 

 

Interesting thing is when I've brought this up with clients, friends, acquaintances, who are landlords no one individual has ever shared my opinion. Seems like everyone has had a bad experience or two and likes the option of simply having the tenant leave after the one year is up.


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#968 rjag

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:15 PM

Oak Bay is one such municipality.  I remember once a panhandler was on Oak Bay Ave (Oak Bay side), within minutes 4 police cars showed up and promptly took the panhandler to the border.  Does Oak Bay have a homeless problem?  no, because they harass them and they don't come back

 

Bottom line panhandlers and homeless need to be harassed by the police on a regular basis.  Sleeping in a doorway of a private business - arrest them and spend a few hours on jail for trespassing, etc.  

 

I live in OB and know several of the local officers. There are a regular contingent of vagrants/panhandlers that hang around the Ave and as long as they dont make a nuisance then they are tolerated. There are a few properties on or near the avenue that house citizens of 'questionable' character. I've walked the foot patrol with them when out walking my dogs and they have pointed them out. They are on top of it for the most part but cant stop citizens hanging out unless they are harassing folks etc.

 

There was always the old story of vagrants getting a free ride downtown and dropped in front of the Odeon 


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#969 lanforod

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:31 PM

I own a few condos downtown and have a suite in my personal house and I think the self-terminating leases are extremely unfair to tenants and should be banned. On my properties I always use 1 year leases the revert month-to-month and do not self-terminate. 

 

Interesting thing is when I've brought this up with clients, friends, acquaintances, who are landlords no one individual has ever shared my opinion. Seems like everyone has had a bad experience or two and likes the option of simply having the tenant leave after the one year is up.

 

Yeah, its a fine line to regulate. If you ban them, you have no way to get rid of a tenant who is crappy - bad enough that they are a real hassle, but not bad enough that you can get them evicted. 

I do the same as you, 1 year lease, revert to month to month after (we have resigned leases though for peace of mind). 

One way to fix, may be to allow the terminating leases, but if the landlord does not renew, fine. The landlord can relist the place but only for the same rent (plus whatever the allowable annual increase is). 

Hard to enforce, I think. Tenants could complain perhaps to the RTB and get compensation if the landlord listed for higher.


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#970 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:02 PM

What if you own a second home. And only spend summers in Victoria in it, but would like to offer it to students from September to May. Ban that and you might find that stock is withdrawn. Careful for unintended consequences.
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#971 North Shore

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:39 PM

Several Comrades on Vic Council have a solution for that, though - a tax on empty properties...


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#972 MarkoJ

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 03:47 PM

One thing I think could be improved without fuss is education/disclosure. I often find tenants do not know what they are signing when they initial one-year lease with a fixed end date (does not revert month to month). 

 

The reason I think fixed end date/self terminated leases are unfair is I've seen many of my own clients over the years bully tenants with such leases.

 

At the same time I've seen some problematic tenants as well.


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#973 PraiseKek

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 06:58 AM

Yeah I think if they ban terminating leases I'd stop renting out my unit. Not worth the risk of a bad tenant. 



#974 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 07:00 AM

As a former forumer pointed out, on the same day the City allowed the removal of 200+ hotel units (Harbour Towers), they also clamped down on Air BnB.


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#975 rjag

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 07:10 AM

As a former forumer pointed out, on the same day the City allowed the removal of 200+ hotel units (Harbour Towers), they also clamped down on Air BnB.

 

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