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[dasmo]

All of which have some sort of regulation attached to them.

And the best chance of that is by bringing the sale of it into the light and out of dealer houses and the streets.

[dasmo]

Here are all the regulated ingredients in cigarette tobacco:

• Acetanisole
• Acetic Acid
• Acetoin
• Acetophenone
• 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
• 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
• 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
• Acetylpyrazine
• 2-Acetylpyridine
• 3-Acetylpyridine
• 2-Acetylthiazole
• Aconitic Acid
• dl-Alanine
• Alfalfa Extract
• Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
• Allyl Hexanoate
• Allyl Ionone
• Almond Bitter Oil
• Ambergris Tincture
• Ammonia
• Ammonium Bicarbonate
• Ammonium Hydroxide
• Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
• Ammonium Sulfide
• Amyl Alcohol
• Amyl Butyrate
• Amyl Formate
• Amyl Octanoate
• alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
• Amyris Oil
• trans-Anethole
• Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
• Anise
• Anise Star, Extract and Oils
• Anisyl Acetate
• Anisyl Alcohol
• Anisyl Formate
• Anisyl Phenylacetate
• Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
• Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
• 1-Arginine
• Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
• Ascorbic Acid
• 1-Asparagine Monohydrate
• 1-Aspartic Acid
• Balsam Peru and Oil
• Basil Oil
• Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
• Beeswax White
• Beet Juice Concentrate
• Benzaldehyde
• Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
• Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
• Benzoin Resin
• Benzophenone
• Benzyl Alcohol
• Benzyl Benzoate
• Benzyl Butyrate
• Benzyl Cinnamate
• Benzyl Propionate
• Benzyl Salicylate
• Bergamot Oil
• Bisabolene
• Black Currant Buds Absolute
• Borneol
• Bornyl Acetate
• Buchu Leaf Oil
• 1,3-Butanediol
• 2,3-Butanedione
• 1-Butanol
• 2-Butanone
• 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
• Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
• Butyl Acetate
• Butyl Butyrate
• Butyl Butyryl Lactate
• Butyl Isovalerate
• Butyl Phenylacetate
• Butyl Undecylenate
• 3-Butylidenephthalide
• Butyric Acid]
• Cadinene
• Caffeine
• Calcium Carbonate
• Camphene
• Cananga Oil
• Capsicum Oleoresin
• Caramel Color
• Caraway Oil
• Carbon Dioxide
• Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
• Carob Bean and Extract
• beta-Carotene
• Carrot Oil
• Carvacrol
• 4-Carvomenthenol
• 1-Carvone
• beta-Caryophyllene
• beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
• Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
• Cassia Bark Oil
• Cassie Absolute and Oil
• Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
• Cedar Leaf Oil
• Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
• Cedrol
• Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
• Cellulose Fiber
• Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
• Chicory Extract
• Chocolate
• Cinnamaldehyde
• Cinnamic Acid
• Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
• Cinnamyl Acetate
• Cinnamyl Alcohol
• Cinnamyl Cinnamate
• Cinnamyl Isovalerate
• Cinnamyl Propionate
• Citral
• Citric Acid
• Citronella Oil
• dl-Citronellol
• Citronellyl Butyrate
• itronellyl Isobutyrate
• Civet Absolute
• Clary Oil
• Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
• Cocoa
• Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
• Coconut Oil
• Coffee
• Cognac White and Green Oil
• Copaiba Oil
• Coriander Extract and Oil
• Corn Oil
• Corn Silk
• Costus Root Oil
• Cubeb Oil
• Cuminaldehyde
• para-Cymene
• 1-Cysteine Dandelion Root Solid Extract
• Davana Oil
• 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal
• delta-Decalactone
• gamma-Decalactone
• Decanal
• Decanoic Acid
• 1-Decanol
• 2-Decenal
• Dehydromenthofurolactone
• Diethyl Malonate
• Diethyl Sebacate
• 2,3-Diethylpyrazine
• Dihydro Anethole
• 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine
• Dill Seed Oil and Extract
• meta-Dimethoxybenzene
• para-Dimethoxybenzene
• 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol
• Dimethyl Succinate
• 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2 Cyclopentanedione
• 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione
• 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene
• 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-
Dihydrofuran-2-One
• 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-
2-One
• 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid
• 2,4 Dimethylacetophenone
• alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol
• alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate
• alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate
• 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine
• 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine
• 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine
• Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone
• delta-Dodecalactone
• gamma-Dodecalactone
• para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde
• Ethyl 10-Undecenoate
• Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate
• Ethyl Acetate
• Ethyl Acetoacetate
• Ethyl Alcohol
• Ethyl Benzoate
• Ethyl Butyrate
• Ethyl Cinnamate
• Ethyl Decanoate
• Ethyl Fenchol
• Ethyl Furoate
• Ethyl Heptanoate
• Ethyl Hexanoate
• Ethyl Isovalerate
• Ethyl Lactate
• Ethyl Laurate
• Ethyl Levulinate
• Ethyl Maltol
• Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate
• Ethyl Myristate
• Ethyl Nonanoate
• Ethyl Octadecanoate
• Ethyl Octanoate
• Ethyl Oleate
• Ethyl Palmitate
• Ethyl Phenylacetate
• Ethyl Propionate
• Ethyl Salicylate
• Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate
• Ethyl Valerate
• Ethyl Vanillin
• 2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine
• 2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -
Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One
• 2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
• 5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2 (5H)-Furanone
• 2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine
• 4-Ethylbenzaldehyde
• 4-Ethylguaiacol
• para-Ethylphenol
• 3-Ethylpyridine
• Eucalyptol
• Farnesol
• D-Fenchone
• Fennel Sweet Oil
• Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute
• Fig Juice Concentrate
• Food Starch Modified
• Furfuryl Mercaptan
• 4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One
• Galbanum Oil
• Genet Absolute
• Gentian Root Extract
• Geraniol
• Geranium Rose Oil
• Geranyl Acetate
• Geranyl Butyrate
• Geranyl Formate
• Geranyl Isovalerate
• Geranyl Phenylacetate
• Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
• 1-Glutamic Acid
• 1-Glutamine
• Glycerol
• Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated
• Grape Juice Concentrate
• Guaiac Wood Oil
• Guaiacol
• Guar Gum
• 2,4-Heptadienal
• gamma-Heptalactone
• Heptanoic Acid
• 2-Heptanone
• 3-Hepten-2-One
• 2-Hepten-4-One
• 4-Heptenal
• trans -2-Heptenal
• Heptyl Acetate
• omega-6-Hexadecenlactone
• gamma-Hexalactone
• Hexanal
• Hexanoic Acid
• 2-Hexen-1-Ol
• 3-Hexen-1-Ol
• cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate
• 2-Hexenal
• 3-Hexenoic Acid
• trans-2-Hexenoic Acid
• cis-3-Hexenyl Formate
• Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate
• Hexyl Acetate
• Hexyl Alcohol
• Hexyl Phenylacetate
• 1-Histidine
• Honey
• Hops Oil
• Hydrolyzed Milk Solids
• Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins
• 5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta-Lactone
• 4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone
• 2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
• 4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone
• 2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde
• 4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone
• Hydroxycitronellal
• 6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane
• 4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
• Hyssop Oil
• Immortelle Absolute and Extract
• alpha-Ionone
• beta-Ionone
• alpha-Irone
• Isoamyl Acetate
• Isoamyl Benzoate
• Isoamyl Butyrate
• Isoamyl Cinnamate
• Isoamyl Formate, IsoamylHexanoate
• Isoamyl Isovalerate
• Isoamyl Octanoate
• Isoamyl Phenylacetate
• Isobornyl Acetate
• Isobutyl Acetate
• Isobutyl Alcohol
• Isobutyl Cinnamate
• Isobutyl Phenylacetate
• Isobutyl Salicylate
• 2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine
• alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol
• Isobutyraldehyde
• Isobutyric Acid
• d,l-Isoleucine
• alpha-Isomethylionone
• 2-Isopropylphenol
• Isovaleric Acid
• Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
• Kola Nut Extract
• Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin
• Lactic Acid
• Lauric Acid
• Lauric Aldehyde
• Lavandin Oil
• Lavender Oil
• Lemon Oil and Extract
• Lemongrass Oil
• 1-Leucine
• Levulinic Acid
• Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract
and Powder
• Lime Oil
• Linalool
• Linalool Oxide
• Linalyl Acetate
• Linden Flowers
• Lovage Oil And Extract
• 1-Lysine]
• Mace Powder, Extract and Oil
• Magnesium Carbonate
• Malic Acid
• Malt and Malt Extract
• Maltodextrin
• Maltol
• Maltyl Isobutyrate
• Mandarin Oil
• Maple Syrup and Concentrate
• Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil
• para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One
• Menthol
• Menthone
• Menthyl Acetate
• dl-Methionine
• Methoprene
• 2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol
• 2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol
• para-Methoxybenzaldehyde
• 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One
• 4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
• 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone
• Methoxypyrazine
• Methyl 2-Furoate
• Methyl 2-Octynoate
• Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
• Methyl Anisate
• Methyl Anthranilate
• Methyl Benzoate
• Methyl Cinnamate
• Methyl Dihydrojasmonate
• Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated
• Methyl Isovalerate
• Methyl Linoleate (48%)
• Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture
• Methyl Naphthyl Ketone
• Methyl Nicotinate
• Methyl Phenylacetate
• Methyl Salicylate
• Methyl Sulfide
• 3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone
• 4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone
• 5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal
• 5-Methyl-2-Thiophene-carboxaldehyde
• 6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One
• 2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde
• 5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One
• 1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene
• 4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One
• 2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde
• 6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One
• 4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol
• 4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole
• Methyl-alpha-Ionone
• Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid
• 4-Methylacetophenone
• para-Methylanisole
• alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate
• alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol
• 2-Methylbutyraldehyde
• 3-Methylbutyraldehyde
• 2-Methylbutyric Acid
• alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde
• Methylcyclopentenolone
• 2-Methylheptanoic Acid
• 2-Methylhexanoic Acid
• 3-Methylpentanoic Acid
• 4-Methylpentanoic Acid
• 2-Methylpyrazine
• 5-Methylquinoxaline
• 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One
• (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)

Edited by dasmo, 10 May 2015 - 10:27 AM.

[VicHockeyFan]

Yes they do, they come in and ensure the preparation process is according to specific standards. 

 

Oh, I see, yes, this is true.  If you run a commercial bakery, and supply a set of convenience stores that have no food preparation facilities, that food preparation does get inspected at the bakery.  True.

[dasmo]

Alcohol:

Short-Term Health Risks

Excessive alcohol use has immediate effects that increase the risk of many harmful health conditions. These are most often the result of binge drinking and include the following:

• Injuries, such as motor vehicle crashes, falls, drownings, and burns.6,7
• Violence, including homicide, suicide, sexual assault, and intimate partner violence.6-10
• Alcohol poisoning, a medical emergency that results from high blood alcohol levels.11
• Risky sexual behaviors, including unprotected sex or sex with multiple partners. These behaviors can result in unintended pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV.12,13
• Miscarriage and stillbirth or fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASDs) among pregnant women.6,12,14,15

Long-Term Health Risks

Over time, excessive alcohol use can lead to the development of chronic diseases and other serious problems including:

• High blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, liver disease, and digestive problems.6,16-21
• Cancer of the breast, mouth, throat, esophagus, liver, and colon.6,22
• Learning and memory problems, including dementia and poor school performance.6
• Mental health problems, including depression and anxiety.6,23
• Social problems, including lost productivity, family problems, and unemployment.6,24,25
• Alcohol dependence, or alcoholism.6

 

88,00 deaths Alcohol related deaths per year in the US

 

Marijuana:

 

Among the known or suspected chronic effects of marijuana are: 

1. short-term memory impairment and slowness of learning. 

2. impaired lung function similar to that found in cigarette smokers. Indications are that more serious effects, such as cancer and other lung disease, follow extended use. 

3. decreased sperm count and sperm motility. 

4. interference with ovulation and pre-natal development. 

5. impaired immune response. 

6. possible adverse effects on heart function. 

7. by-products of marijuana remaining in body fat for several weeks, with unknown consequences. The storage of these by-products increases the possiblilties for chronic, as well as residual, effects on performance, even after the acute reaction to the drug has worn off. 

An exhaustive search of the literature finds no credible reports of deaths induced by marijuana. The US Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) records instances of drug mentions in medical examiners' reports, and though marijuana is mentioned, it is usually in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Marijuana alone has not been shown to cause an overdose death. 

Edited by dasmo, 10 May 2015 - 11:04 AM.

[Nparker]

And the best chance of that is by bringing the sale of it into the light and out of dealer houses and the streets.

Then get it legalized and fully regulated. Until then, it cannot be legally sold in storefronts in Canada. The current regulations can be found: http://www.hc-sc.gc....a/index-eng.php

 

An excerpt from the MMPR explicitly states: (emphasis is mine)

• dried marijuana for medical purposes is distributed through regulated, commercial Licensed Producers who produce a variety of strains;
• Licensed Producers must demonstrate compliance with regulatory requirements such as quality control standards, record-keeping of all activities, as well as inventories of marijuana, and physical security measures to protect against potential diversion;
• storefronts or retail outlets are not permitted

[Mike K.]

Oh, I see, yes, this is true. If you run a commercial bakery, and supply a set of convenience stores that have no food preparation facilities, that food preparation does get inspected at the bakery. True.

Yup, it's all heavily regulated.

The guy making your pot cookies could have just walked out of the bathroom without washing his hands and rolled the dough where his cat was just walking about.

Obviously most cases are not like that, but we have no control, none whatsoever over those edible goods. People just blindly assume a pot cookie is a heavenly edible that will make them feel better. Until they get food poisoning. And then what? Who does VIHA educate? Who does VIHA restrict from unscrupulous food preparation? How can the public reaserch their record? The answer is nobody, nobody, and not possible.

[Mike K.]

Furthermore, there are currently no systems in place that can ensure a proper dosage. It's ludicrous that we have a "medicinal" industry sprouting up all over the place that takes absolutely no care to ensure that the buyers are getting the dosage that they expect or require. A pot cookie for one guy will mellow him out. Another guy will get into a car after ingesting one then start hallucinating behind the wheel (and yeah, people can hallucinate from an improper dose of ingested pot).

This industry is like the wild west. The operators are acting like amateurs with no business sense to avoid controversy over simple things like licenses. I have no sympathy for a business, regardless of what is sells or provides, that doesn't have an operator who is prepared to play by the rules.

[Nparker]

...I have no sympathy for a business, regardless of what it sells or provides, that doesn't have an operator who is prepared to play by the rules.

This. If marijuana sellers don't like the rules, work with all relevant regulatory bodies to get the rules changed - don't just flaunt them and hope a sympathetic jurisdiction will take your side.

[dasmo]

Good god! Just think of all those unregulated cookies and cakes being consumed by our children at day cares and preschools all over the country! All being baked in filthy cat and dog infested houses! Regulate this out of control public consumption of non corporate baked goods now!!!!

Edited by dasmo, 10 May 2015 - 11:33 AM.

[Nparker]

When day cares and pre-schools attempt to set up store front businesses without licenses then there will be a relevant issue.

[dasmo]

To me it's the laws that are the problem here.... Thank goodness we have these brave entrepreneurs setting up shop and forcing the issue.

Edited by dasmo, 10 May 2015 - 11:45 AM.

[VicHockeyFan]

So why are there storefront operations, when mail-order is now a legal, regulated and quality-controlled option?  Price?  Does private or employer provided extended health care plans not cover medicinal marijuana, when prescribed?

 

EDIT: It appears only Veteran Affairs Canada will cover the cost, no private or government extended medical insurers.

[dasmo]

The more important question is why do we still see open drug dealing of meth on our city streets.... That should be regulated!

[Mike K.]

Your judgment is clouded by the emotion you feel towards the product. There are public safety standards that are being flaunted. I could care less about the product, but if someone is going to operate a business, they need to play by the rules.

Drug dealers play by the rules when the cops come knocking on their door. Does a pot dispensary think that because it has a storefront it is now operating in some la la land that doesn't accept regulation and government oversight?

Honestly, if this industry wants to be respected it needs to grow up fast and get smart. Flaunting rules and playing up the "I didn't know" card is lame.

[VicHockeyFan]

I think all drugs ought to be made legal.  And regulation can be quite light really.  It's possible to make alcohol or grow tobacco at home, but the production and distribution system has enough competition that not many people make their own.  Competition has driven down the cost so low, even with the high taxes.

[dasmo]

Your judgment is clouded by the emotion you feel towards the product. There are public safety standards that are being flaunted. I could care less about the product, but if someone is going to operate a business, they need to play by the rules.

 

Drug dealers play by the rules when the cops come knocking on their door. Does a pot dispensary think that because it has a storefront it is now operating in some la la land that doesn't accept regulation and government oversight?

 

Honestly, if this industry wants to be respected it needs to grow up fast and get smart. Flaunting rules and playing up the "I didn't know" card is lame.

My judgement is informed not clouded...

[Mike K.]

My judgement is informed not clouded...

 

Hey, don't get me wrong, if you support food producers who have no business license, are not regulated by food safety standards and who sell you whatever they want with medicinal ingredients that can affect you in a variety of ways, that's your choice.

[dasmo]

Ok, I'm with you! First stop in the crack down is the Moss Street Market! Shut it down!

[dasmo]

"“It is about emerging science that not only shows and proves what marijuana can do for the body but provides better insights into the mechanisms of marijuana in the brain, helping us better understand a plant whose benefits have been documented for thousands of years.

This journey is also about a Draconian system where politics overrides science and patients are caught in the middle.”

http://cultureofawar...ical-marijuana/

[Mike K.]

Forget marijuana in this equation. It's not about the pot (nobody is arguing the benefits of pot for medicinal purposes) -- it's about food safety standards. Marijuana edibles are being made with no oversight, none, in conditions that our system of food safety has no control over whatsoever. As more people consume these edibles the risk of contracting viruses or getting sick from improperly made, handled, or stored foods grows.

 

I could care less what someone sells at a market, but with medicinal marijuana dispensaries you're not actually standing there talking to the chef/baker, you're just talking to someone behind a till. They can't tell you how the product was made, they just sell it. This is a major problem.