I bet there are cars parked just to the right.
Context is everything: http://goo.gl/maps/lFNPU
Posted 26 January 2015 - 02:21 PM
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 02:24 PM
Sure is busy when it is closed off like during the busking festival, or the chalk art festival....
Because those events draw many people down. Simply closing the road won't make it like that year-round.
Look, let's give it a year or so to see how the lower speed limits bring more pedestrians downtown like we've been promised. Can we at least see if that is a success first?
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 03:00 PM
Because those events draw many people down. Simply closing the road won't make it like that year-round.
Look, let's give it a year or so to see how the lower speed limits bring more pedestrians downtown like we've been promised. Can we at least see if that is a success first?
Seriously? Did the speed limit even change on Government? ...
Posted 26 January 2015 - 03:32 PM
so we would rather this continues?
Posted 26 January 2015 - 03:32 PM
has anyone asked the stores whether they think making a mall would improve their business? would mayor Lisa approve of a study?
drop the rents and you will have tenants.
Edited by vicernie, 26 January 2015 - 03:34 PM.
Posted 26 January 2015 - 03:39 PM
If you park at any of the parades you will have less far to walk than parking at Costco and walking to the meat department....
Posted 26 January 2015 - 03:43 PM
If you park at any of the parades you will have less far to walk than parking at Costco and walking to the meat department....
But when I park at Costco and walk to the meat department, I don't have to walk through clouds of cigarette smoke, past aggressive panhandlers, put up with seagull crap all over the place, put up with seagull crap smell, put up with urine smells in parkade stairwells, watch crackheads shooting up in the open, worry about my car getting broken into...
Oh but let's attack the big, bad automobile.
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 03:57 PM
But when I park at Costco and walk to the meat department, I don't have to walk through clouds of cigarette smoke, past aggressive panhandlers, put up with seagull crap all over the place, put up with seagull crap smell, put up with urine smells in parkade stairwells, watch crackheads shooting up in the open, worry about my car getting broken into...
Oh but let's attack the big, bad automobile.
Way to blow Victoria's issues way out of proportions. Sheesh. You'd think we were living in Dicken's England with street urchins picking your pockets, workhouses, and open sewage ditches.
With all these massive issues you have to contend with downtown, I'd think you'd want a nice wide pedestrian mall so they could be easily sidestepped when necessary.
Posted 26 January 2015 - 04:09 PM
I don't mind the idea, but I don't think it would magically fix the ailments of the greater retail landscape, and wonder what such a change would mean to the cross streets like Fort and Broughton.
Posted 26 January 2015 - 04:22 PM
But when I park at Costco and walk to the meat department, I don't have to walk through clouds of cigarette smoke, past aggressive panhandlers, put up with seagull crap all over the place, put up with seagull crap smell, put up with urine smells in parkade stairwells, watch crackheads shooting up in the open, worry about my car getting broken into...
Oh but let's attack the big, bad automobile.
That's your parkade experience? How am I attacking the automobile? Can no one actually create a cohesive argument against doing this?
Posted 26 January 2015 - 04:45 PM
A lot of time in urban planning people think they are looking at the wholeI don't mind the idea, but I don't think it would magically fix the ailments of the greater retail landscape, and wonder what such a change would mean to the cross streets like Fort and Broughton.
Posted 26 January 2015 - 04:49 PM
Is the presence of cars on Government Street the primary cause of the state of businesses there?
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 05:29 PM
With seven vacant store fronts the question shouldn't be "are we good enough?" But rather "can we be better?"Is the presence of cars on Government Street the primary cause of the state of businesses there?
Posted 26 January 2015 - 06:34 PM
Way to blow Victoria's issues way out of proportions. Sheesh. You'd think we were living in Dicken's England with street urchins picking your pockets, workhouses, and open sewage ditches.
With all these massive issues you have to contend with downtown, I'd think you'd want a nice wide pedestrian mall so they could be easily sidestepped when necessary.
Posted 26 January 2015 - 06:40 PM
With seven vacant store fronts the question shouldn't be "are we good enough?" But rather "can we be better?"
Let's identify the cause of the problem first and work on that. Remember that for 6 months of the year our weather isn't particularly conducive to a comfortable outdoor shopping and dining experience, and whatever increase in business going car-free brings in the summer likely won't be enough to offset the high rents and other unpleasantries.
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 06:43 PM
dasmo, on 26 Jan 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:We have the density. That's like saying we don't have the density to build residential downtown.... Note, my proposal keeps a one lane access with hours open to vehicular traffic at hours appropriate for delivery, and possibly late night taxi. You pave the road the same as the sidewalk with a transition. You have bollards that drop into the ground during access hours (or for emergency access)
What about the horse carriages etc.?
Posted 26 January 2015 - 07:59 PM
Posted 26 January 2015 - 08:20 PM
The Graben (Vienna) is an exclusive and pulsating shopping street in the heart of the inner city. The origin of this street dates back to the old Romans and it is surrounded by popular alleys, streets and places which stand for flair, elegant tradition and gourmet pleasures...
Posted 26 January 2015 - 08:32 PM
Let's identify the cause of the problem first and work on that.
Indeed. I don't have a problem with the idea of closing the street but I do have a problem with this Victorian tendency to put the cart before the horse. We have this community wish list that includes things like bustling pedestrian streets, safe/clean/active public spaces, a destination public market, light rail, etc. and yet we fight increased density tooth and nail. Without the increased density, none of the other things will work. It's as if we want all of the benefits of increased density without any of the increased density. It's crazy.
Posted 26 January 2015 - 08:35 PM
I see a lot of condos being built downtown. Who is fighting density?
Edited by dasmo, 26 January 2015 - 08:37 PM.
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