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[Rob Randall]

Won't work for anyone involved in the actual serious, necessary work of society. Shipping and freight, agriculture, energy, designing and manufacturing bombs and missiles to keep us one step ahead of the chinese

 

It's remarkable to contemplate but many of the men and women that build missiles also wouldn't mind an extra day to take the kids to ballet class or go on a camping trip, even if it means working 10 hour days. It's about productivity. People don't apply for jobs at the bomb factory because they want to stick it to the Chinese Communist Party. They apply because the working conditions are better than the factory next door.

[Victoria Watcher]

10 hour days are not productive.  8 and 6 and 4 hour days are much more productive.

[Rob Randall]

^Robert Dunsmuir would have hated you.

[Victoria Watcher]

It has been proven that when workers switch to a six-hour day, there is a marked reduction in absenteeism, worker health in addition to improved productivity. Human resources experts say the concept of a shorter working day is only effective when the workers stay focused for the entire six hours.

 

 

https://onlinemaster...rter-work-week/

[rjag]

What added costs would be borne by taxpayers in a 4 day work week scenario vs 5 days? Wages would be the same, no?

 

Many businesses operate on a 5 day business cycle. I'm not talking retailers and restaurants but operations like trades ie plumbers, roofers, movers and professional organizations like Lawyers, Accountants, Dr's & Dentists. 

 

They cant simply switch employees to 4 x 10 hour days or have 4 x 8 hour days with 1 x 8 hour day to cover. Costs of training and remittances are a factor as well as continuity of services.

 

You cant get a construction crew to work 4 x 10 hour shifts as they work in stages and have numerous projects on the go at any 1 time. For most business they have an income flow that cant be increased or adjusted at will. A law firm may work by billable hours but you'll find many of these places are already working late into the evenings several times a month...factor in tax season and the 14 hour days x 7 days for the 4-6 weeks prior...trades work when the work is there and deadlines are always a thing.

 

Imagine an early stage software development company only working 4 days a week...darwinism would rear its ugly head so quickly. 

[GetLisaSomeHelps]

 It may work in public sector jobs where the added costs are borne by taxpayers ie the faux Flex Friday’s etc

 

what added costs would exist in those public sector jobs? this is what I was referring to, but you answered about the added costs many private sector employers would face...

 

asking because my personaly stance is it would be a net benefit to have all those cushy government employees going in 4 days vs 5 but not if there will need to be a bunch of extra hires which my understanding is there would not have to be.

Edited by GetLisaSomeHelps, 27 May 2020 - 10:27 AM.

[rjag]

what added costs would exist in those public sector jobs? this is what I was referring to, but you answered about the added costs many private sector employers would face...

 

asking because my personaly stance is it would be a net benefit to have all those cushy government employees going in 4 days vs 5 but not if there will need to be a bunch of extra hires which my understanding is there would not have to be.

 

Example would be flex Fridays. By starting x minutes early and taking x minutes less for breaks you earn x # of days off in a period. There is no way to truly measure if the productivity of those extra minutes consistently achieves a similar output of working say a 7 hour day. If the employer has to bring in an extra employee to cover those flex days then that employee is due all the vacation and other benefits of the employee they are replacing. So in effect there may be a situation where the employer is paying 11 employees to do 10 employees job.

 

If, for example you cancelled flex days and had employees start x minutes later and took all breaks then would productivity change?

 

Another example; Like I said not every job can operate on just 4 days a week. The person may only work 4 days but the role may require 5 days. So would employees be willing to take a 20% reduction in wages as well as a 20% reduction in benefits and pension as the role requires a 5 day presence not a 40 hour presence compressed into a shorter 4 day week

Edited by rjag, 27 May 2020 - 12:00 PM.

[Mike K.]

Notice that as Horgan pleads with teenagers to smarten up and behave after being caught partying in large groups over, and over, and over, the discussion about giving 16-year-olds the vote has quietly disappeared from the narrative at all levels of government.

They were so smart, so mature and understanding only months ago.

[rjag]

Notice that as Horgan pleads with teenagers to smarten up and behave after being caught partying in large groups over, and over, and over, the discussion about giving 16-year-olds the vote has quietly disappeared from the narrative at all levels of government.

They were so smart, so mature and understanding only months ago.

 

and they will be again when its close to another election and promoted widely by 'progressives' just like UBI

[Mike K.]

Yup!

Now tuck this into your back pocket and keep it filed away.

[Jackerbie]

Notice that as Horgan pleads with teenagers to smarten up and behave after being caught partying in large groups over, and over, and over, the discussion about giving 16-year-olds the vote has quietly disappeared from the narrative at all levels of government.

They were so smart, so mature and understanding only months ago.

 

Is it teenagers he's pleading with? The surge in cases has been the 20-40 crowd (aka Millennials)

[Mike K.]

Don’t forget about the cops. Just today Saanich issued a PR about a big group of rowdy teens.

[Rob Randall]

Notice that as Horgan pleads with teenagers to smarten up and behave after being caught partying in large groups over, and over, and over, the discussion about giving 16-year-olds the vote has quietly disappeared from the narrative at all levels of government.

They were so smart, so mature and understanding only months ago.

 

Voting is an individual decision. 

 

However, studies conducted by the statistics department of UofVic* have proven that as the size of a group of men increases, the median IQ decreases proportionally.

 

 

 

*University of VicHockeyFan

[Mike K.]

Especially at 16, for sure.

[Rob Randall]

Underage, yes. But overage men are not much better.

 

"[When you have] ten overage white guys looking at something there's a better than 50/50 chance it's going to be a total screw-up."
-Jeb Bush, May 19, 2017

Edited by Rob Randall, 18 August 2020 - 02:58 PM.

[Mike K.]

Ok then, and moving right along...

[exc911ence]

Underage, yes. But overage men are not much better.

 

"[When you have] ten overage white guys looking at something there's a better than 50/50 chance it's going to be a total screw-up."
-Jeb Bush, May 19, 2017

 

Racist! Racist! OMG, did you see the racist?!?

[RFS]

^Those kinds of jokes are only offensive if they are true