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[Mike K.]

The party has no leader, and in this instance, considering the election results, the Liberal party will do nothing out of fear of losing MLA's.

Plecas was one of several who would have walked, and quite likely cemented the party's future for the next decade. Clark did what she did to save the party, literally.

[VicHockeyFan]

The party just needs to nudge left slightly. You can't ignore the reality of the increasing Surrey ethnic vote.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 06 August 2017 - 09:05 AM.

[spanky123]

The party has no leader, and in this instance, considering the election results, the Liberal party will do nothing out of fear of losing MLA's.

Plecas was one of several who would have walked, and quite likely cemented the party's future for the next decade. Clark did what she did to save the party, literally.

 

I think that this comment about Plecas says it all. 

 

He was first elected to the provincial legislature in 2013. A prominent criminologist, he was considered a lead candidate when he first ran for office. But although he led a panel on crime reduction in 2014, he was never appointed to cabinet, holding only a pair of lesser parliamentary secretary positions.

 

​The party will get a new leader and it will be business as usual. 

[Mike K.]

It won't be business as usual until the Liberals win 50 seats. Until then every MLA is sacrosanct.

[lanforod]

The party just needs to nudge left slightly. You can't ignore the reality of the increasing Surrey ethnic vote.

 

Too far left, and they'll lose a lot of voters, myself included.

[Mike K.]

Oh yeah, no need to shift left, they just need to reign in the social services a little to:

A) show tangible results for the services currently provided (including criminal justice) and
B) provide more help to those who truly need it.

And that includes bringing back a mental health strategy and passing laws that make being a criminal harder. It's too easy to break the rules in this province and enter the revolving door of "justice."

[VicHockeyFan]

Revolving doors of justice is cheaper than lengthy incarceration periods.

[LJ]

^Not when murderers walk free because their case has been delayed too long because of the overload of the justice system.

[VicHockeyFan]

Has that happened?

[Mike K.]

Double time served while waiting for trial means some hardcore criminals walk only months after sentencing.

The revolving door of justice needs to be addressed. Criminality should be rewarded with appropriately long jail sentences and the forfeiture of assets to the criminal justice system to pay for the cost of maintaining the inmate.

[HB]

not just hardcore but also white collarasll kinds of offenses

 

1 1/2 or 2x credit is fair in my eyes being locked up for year without seeing an outcome is difficult time

Edited by HB, 07 August 2017 - 12:40 PM.

[sdwright.vic]

No it's not... it's real time severed. If you can't make bail, not my issue.

[VicHockeyFan]

not just hardcore but also white collarasll kinds of offenses

 

1 1/2 or 2x credit is fair in my eyes being locked up for year without seeing an outcome is difficult time

 

I agree.  Considering you get zero compensation for your time locked up if you are acquitted at trial.

[VicHockeyFan]

No it's not... it's real time severed. If you can't make bail, not my issue.

 

But there is also something to this too.  If you can not make bail it's because you are a serious repeat offender, you are accused of an additional criminal act while on bail or probation, and/or it's a very serious crime like murder.  And/or nobody will stand for you to pay bail or a surety.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 07 August 2017 - 07:17 PM.

[sdwright.vic]

Yeah.. So?!? Maybe you shouldn't be such an a@@ to begin with.

[LJ]

Has that happened?

Yes it has, unfortunately, and it looks like it will happen again.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...cases-1.4163829

Edited by LJ, 07 August 2017 - 07:24 PM.

[Mike K.]

Weaver contests that Horgan's pitch to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour by 2021 is "prejudicial" to a commission both party leaders agreed would be setup to assess the future of wage increases in the province.

 

More: http://vibrantvictor...-ndp-agreement/

[Hotel Mike]

The more Weaver can disagree with NDP policies, the better he positions the BC Greens as being independent-minded. Being too cozy with the NDP, will not serve them well with voters.

[spanky123]

Weaver contests that Horgan's pitch to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour by 2021 is "prejudicial" to a commission both party leaders agreed would be setup to assess the future of wage increases in the province.

 

More: http://vibrantvictor...-ndp-agreement/

 

I guess that Weaver hasn't figured out yet that he isn't co-Premier. 

[VicHockeyFan]

The more Weaver can disagree with NDP policies, the better he positions the BC Greens as being independent-minded. Being too cozy with the NDP, will not serve them well with voters.

 

The thing is, this is part of their partnership agreement.  It's in writing.  It's not a new issue that they have differing opinions on, it's a clear breach of their deal.