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1032-1052 Cloverdale Avenue
Use: townhome
Address: 1032-1052 Cloverdale Avenue
Municipality: Saanich
Region: Urban core
Sales status: in planning
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[Saanich] 1032-1042 Cloverdale | 14 townhomes | Approved


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#1 sPAZEDiN

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 12:35 PM

Hello all!

 

For anyone interested there is a Committee of the Whole meeting tonight in Saanich Council Chambers at 7-pm for proposed 14-town homes at 1032-1052 Cloverdale (near Quadra).

 

Here is a link to the Citified page: http://victoria.citi...052-cloverdale/

 

There are lots of condo projects underway and proposed in the core, but as many of you are aware affordable new town home construction for families is in short supply forcing families into substandard homes or to commute to the West Shore.

 

We'd love to have you come out and support this infill project targeted at families and young professionals, the proposal is for a terrific range of sizes from 2-bedrm units all the way to 4-bedrm family sized units.

 

Come and check out the plans and give your input.

 

Hope to see you there:)

 



#2 nagel

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 12:39 PM

Hello all!

 

For anyone interested there is a Committee of the Whole meeting tonight in Saanich Council Chambers at 7-pm for proposed 14-town homes at 1032-1052 Cloverdale (near Quadra).

 

Here is a link to the Citified page: http://victoria.citi...052-cloverdale/

 

There are lots of condo projects underway and proposed in the core, but as many of you are aware affordable new town home construction for families is in short supply forcing families into substandard homes or to commute to the West Shore.

 

We'd love to have you come out and support this infill project targeted at families and young professionals, the proposal is for a terrific range of sizes from 2-bedrm units all the way to 4-bedrm family sized units.

 

Come and check out the plans and give your input.

 

Hope to see you there:)

What bike storage/bike parking amenities will there be as part of the proposal, including for visitors?



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Posted 12 September 2016 - 01:43 PM

Each unit contains a one-car garage, and all but three units also have an exterior parking space in a tandem arrangement. We want to encourage one car or no car living. There is also an exterior alcove in each unit for waste & re-cycling which may be able to be used for bike storage.

 

The subject property is located 90 m away from a south-bound and 125 m away from a north bound transit stop on Quadra Street. These stops are serviced by Route 6, with service approximately every 10 minutes on weekdays. The site is also within easy walking distance of shops and services at the Four Corners Village “Centre”, as well as schools and parks.

 

From the staff report:

 

"The surrounding area is well served by transit with main bus routes running on Quadra and Cloverdale. Bus stop locations are within easy walking distance. Bike lanes currently front this property thus making bicycle commuting easier. The proposed development encourages the use of bicycles by having bicycle storage in each unit and short-term bicycle parking for visitors. The location of the project, next to shops, services and schools, make it ideal for walking. To encourage non-vehicular transportation, Seba Construction will also be offering a $500.00 cash contribution to the homeowners of each unit for alternative transportation solutions of their choice. The funds will be placed in our lawyers trust account until the homeowner produces a receipt for some sort of transportation (bike, buss pass etc.) at which point they will be reimbursed for their investment. We hope this helps the homeowner understand the ease of transportation around the area, thus minimizing their carbon footprint."

 

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 02:05 PM

Each unit contains a one-car garage, and all but three units also have an exterior parking space in a tandem arrangement. We want to encourage one car or no car living. There is also an exterior alcove in each unit for waste & re-cycling which may be able to be used for bike storage.

 

The subject property is located 90 m away from a south-bound and 125 m away from a north bound transit stop on Quadra Street. These stops are serviced by Route 6, with service approximately every 10 minutes on weekdays. The site is also within easy walking distance of shops and services at the Four Corners Village “Centre”, as well as schools and parks.

 

From the staff report:

 

"The surrounding area is well served by transit with main bus routes running on Quadra and Cloverdale. Bus stop locations are within easy walking distance. Bike lanes currently front this property thus making bicycle commuting easier. The proposed development encourages the use of bicycles by having bicycle storage in each unit and short-term bicycle parking for visitors. The location of the project, next to shops, services and schools, make it ideal for walking. To encourage non-vehicular transportation, Seba Construction will also be offering a $500.00 cash contribution to the homeowners of each unit for alternative transportation solutions of their choice. The funds will be placed in our lawyers trust account until the homeowner produces a receipt for some sort of transportation (bike, buss pass etc.) at which point they will be reimbursed for their investment. We hope this helps the homeowner understand the ease of transportation around the area, thus minimizing their carbon footprint."

 

Thanks!!

Just so you know I've written in in support of the project but did ask council to ask about the bike parking situation, so you may be asked.  So a bike visitor would either go in the garage or the alcove?  Hard to picture what you mean by alcove.  Is it locked?



#5 sPAZEDiN

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 05:01 PM

Thank you Nagel, we really appreciate your participation in the process!!

 

The alcoves are private semi-enclosed areas close to each front or rear entry depending on which bank of town homes the unit is located.

 

1-st tier unit alcoves are near the front entry of each unit accessed from the inside the complex (that way they are more secure), and 2-nd tier units have alcoves are near the rear of those units at the back of the complex.

 

There will be a provision for locking up a bike securely within each respective alcove area.

 

~Hope this helps explain the setup)



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Posted 14 September 2016 - 08:38 PM

This project is headed off to a public hearing.

 

Most Councillors like the concept, however they'd like to see some fine tuning, and we'll be working hard to address those items.

 

Thank you to all those who gave their input:)



#7 nagel

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 07:06 AM

Thanks for the update.  We don't have council video in Saanich so you wait a week to find out what happened in democracy, unless you're really lucky and Travis Paterson cares enough to live tweet it.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:41 PM

UPDATE!

 

The Public Hearing will be held on Tuesday, January 24th, 2017 @ 7-PM, Saanich Chambers.

 

Thank you to all those who have supported us, or commented on the project to this point. Your voice is an important part of the process!

 

The developer has worked diligently to address items raised by Councilors and members of the public at the Committee of the Whole meeting last September. We invite you to come and have a look at the amended proposal, and we encourage and ask for your support for this worthy project.

 

As you may be aware medium density infill developments are in short supply in the Core Areas where they are most needed as an affordable family option. Home buyers often seek such affordable, efficient human scale options close to existing transit, bike lanes, with a variety of amenities and schooling close by. However the reality is they find the selection mostly to be limited to condos not ideal for families or the occasional new single family home which are now selling for $1.1-Mil + in Saanich, putting family sized new construction well beyond the reach of families and couples thinking about starting a family.

 

The 1032-1042-1052 Cloverdale Town Home Proposal envisions a wide variety of unit layouts from 2-bedrm, 2-bed+den, 3-bedrm, 3-bed+den and even 4-bedrm units providing realistic new construction options for families, couples, empty nesters, retirees and investors in a location where utilizing existing transit, bike lanes, schools & parks and shopping are so close, a car will not be a necessity! 

 

The developer will offer $1000/unit towards transportation needs (bikes, bus passes) and is currently evaluating ideas on what options would work best for residents. Perhaps as a part of the strategy a partnership with a local bike store to volume buy and make that $1000 go further is an option, or the buyer may be able to choose $1000 towards public transit, or??.... Any ideas on this would be welcome!! :)

 

If you are in favor of this type of housing for families in the Core, it is important to support infill developments such as this one at the public hearing level. Often public hearings bring out those in opposition even if the majority of the public would be in favor, and thus it is important for council to hear your voice as they make note of public support before rendering their decision.

 

We hope to see you Wed Jan 24-th, 2017 @ 7-PM, Saanich Chambers.


Edited by sPAZEDiN, 10 January 2017 - 02:53 PM.


#9 nagel

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:50 PM

There's an e-bike seller in Uptown you could potentially partner with.  Go Time?  That 1K goes a long way to getting electric assist added to a bike, potentially removing the need for families to have two vehicles.


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#10 sPAZEDiN

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:58 PM

Thank you Nagel. ~ I will put that on the list :)



#11 sPAZEDiN

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 01:25 PM

Public hearing is tonight Jan 24 @ 7-pm, Saanich municipal hall. 

 

~ Come on out to support this new project, as there is a lack of affordable new housing for families right in the core:) 



#12 nagel

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 01:31 PM

Public hearing is tonight Jan 24 @ 7-pm, Saanich municipal hall. 

 

~ Come on out to support this new project, as there is a lack of affordable new housing for families right in the core:) 

Can't come but I just emailed council in support.  Good luck!



#13 sPAZEDiN

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 03:06 PM

Can't come but I just emailed council in support.  Good luck!

 Thanks Nagel, we appreciate your input!



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Posted 24 January 2017 - 11:19 PM

The application was postponed tonight, due to unanimous lack of support from council. ~ Mayor Atwell was absent today.

 

A report was tabled from Saanich staff supporting the proposal, amusingly one councilor expressed his surprise at this revelation.

 

Councilors appeared confused regarding the newer Saanich Core Area Plan vs. out of date Local Area Plan applicability to this proposal. They did not receive any clarification from staff. They were also confused regarding amenity contributions required of developers. That confusion manifested as a sudden impediment to supporting the proposal. A few councillors said the amenity guidelines might need to be re-written by Saanich prior to approving any further projects/developments in Saanich, as right now there are no clear requirements for counselors to determine whether amenity contributions are fair or not. This sudden uncertainty and confusion was brought forth as a number of members of the public asked councilors why Saanich wasn't asking developers for more contributions, not just on this project but on all projects.

 

Surprisingly it didn't dawn on anyone that these amenity guidelines, or the lack thereof was not the matter at hand before council. A public hearing regarding a specific development proposal seemed like the wrong place and time to get their house in order on clear guidelines for all developers to follow. 

 

The councilors also wanted the units to be affordable and pressed the developer to commit to pricing prior to their final deliberations, and then councilors wanted the developer to reduce the number of units from 14 to 12. More than one councillor then announced they didn't think the units were affordable (it seems they are not aware of market values), however it didn't dawn on them it's tougher to keep units affordable when the cost of land/process costs are amortized over fewer units than proposed. ~ Very frustrating.

 

Community support was about 50/50, with many non-supporters complaining of existing on-going traffic issues in the neighborhood, especially on Savannah, and about the density of the proposed project. ~ It should be noted this proposal asked for a variance of just two parking spaces (not including the developer's proposal to build 4-extra spaces on street to be used by visitors & community), and the density proposed is actually 14% less than what is allowed within the Saanich Core area plan.

 

Many supporters spoke of the need for attainable family housing alternatives instead of just condos in the core. Right now the attainable alternative at similar prices means either an old house/townhouse needing work, or a two car family driving to Langford for a similar amount of living space for new construction.

 

At the end, councillors encouraged the developer to re-imagine the concept and to come back with less density and less units, bring more amenity contributions, and provide more green-space on-site. They also want the units to be more affordable.


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 12:01 AM

At the end, councillors encouraged the developer to re-imagine the concept and to come back with less density and less units, bring more amenity contributions, and provide more green-space on-site. They also want the units to be more affordable.

 

 

The largest municipality in the whole CRD, with over 30,000 dwelling units, and it stumbles over 12-14 townhomes.


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#16 nagel

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 08:02 AM

WTF is wrong with Saanich.  We need more density but not here, there or anywhere?

 

I grew up on that block of Savannah, and to be honest it's not anywhere near as safe to play hockey etc. on that block as it used to be.  I don't think that's really a concern of approving this development, merely they do need to traffic calm it because it's being used inappropriately to skirt the crappy Quadra block between Cloverdale and Tattersall.

 

I don't understand how there'd be 4 on-street parking spots with the bike lane there...

 

The hilarious thing is if you go on the other side of Quadra there is a new development with much higher density, right next door to the Thrifty's.  Not sure why it's ok there.  Presumably a better amenity contribution to the Cook project?



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Posted 25 January 2017 - 09:06 AM

What is the price point for these townhouses, and what is considered affordable for a townhouse to Saanich council?



#18 sPAZEDiN

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 09:56 AM

WTF is wrong with Saanich.  We need more density but not here, there or anywhere?

 

I grew up on that block of Savannah, and to be honest it's not anywhere near as safe to play hockey etc. on that block as it used to be.  I don't think that's really a concern of approving this development, merely they do need to traffic calm it because it's being used inappropriately to skirt the crappy Quadra block between Cloverdale and Tattersall.

 

I don't understand how there'd be 4 on-street parking spots with the bike lane there...

 

The hilarious thing is if you go on the other side of Quadra there is a new development with much higher density, right next door to the Thrifty's.  Not sure why it's ok there.  Presumably a better amenity contribution to the Cook project?

Nagel the Saanich boulevard from the edge of the existing street to where the property actually begins is so wide that it will accommodate a bike lane, sidewalk and parking spaces (it's approx 23-ft). The proposal had the 4-spaces inset into that boulevard so it's tucked out of the way.


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 10:15 AM

 

At the end, councillors encouraged the developer to re-imagine the concept and to come back with less density and less units, bring more amenity contributions, and provide more green-space on-site. They also want the units to be more affordable.

 

Isn't this a contradiction - fewer units AND make them lower priced? How exactly is that possible?


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 10:29 AM

Isn't this a contradiction - fewer units AND make them lower priced? How exactly is that possible?

Anything's possible in the political dream world.


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