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#161 LeoVictoria

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:33 PM

Republicans control the house but only in name.  There are Trumpians, there are Republicans, and there are Democrats.   

The Trumpians are learning that they aren't in the majority on many issues.   The horrendous budget will face the same fate.



#162 nerka

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:38 PM

Healthcare fail :) 

Note to Ryan and Trump: Governing is hard.

 

Although this is a blow to Trump it is ultimately better for the Republicans that AHCA did not pass. It was a terrible bill and the Repubs would have owned the mess they created



#163 nerka

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:43 PM

Bah, votes fail, or get cancelled.  Big deal.  Too bad so many conservatives got cold feet.   

 It is a bit embarrassing though.

 

Repealing Obamacare has been the rallying cry of the Republicans since 2010. Then when they have the majorities to pass the repeal they can't do it.

 

Ryan admitted defeat right out of the gate by writing a bill that didn't repeal Obamacare and settled for just making it crappier. Then there were two groups of Republicans opposed to Ryan. Those that would settle for nothing less than an actual repeal and those that didn't want to stick their necks out to vote in crappier healthcare.



#164 Rob Randall

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:02 PM

Trump and Bannon wanted the vote in order to automatically create an enemies list; Ryan said no. And Trump wasn't happy that his most trusted and moderate advisors Kushner and Ivanka were on a skiing holiday this week while things were falling apart back home.

 

They wasted a lot of capital pushing this, it's going to make things harder from now on.

 

Reminds me of Hillary's failed health care plan, early in Bill's first term. One of many problems that hampered his administration that first year. But Bill had smarter advisors at his disposal.


Edited by Rob Randall, 24 March 2017 - 02:05 PM.


#165 nerka

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:36 PM

Laughably Trump is blaming the defeat on Democrats.

http://www.foxnews.c...-imploding.html

 

Wahhh Wahhhh! My poor little majority party can't get enough votes thanks to those mean Dems.

 

Democrats say that the reason the Republicans are having a hard time on health care is because the Democrats already stole most of the Republican's best ideas.

http://www.vox.com/p...ems-health-care



#166 LeoVictoria

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:36 PM

It is a bit embarrassing though.

Repealing Obamacare has been the rallying cry of the Republicans since 2010. Then when they have the majorities to pass the repeal they can't do it.

Ryan admitted defeat right out of the gate by writing a bill that didn't repeal Obamacare and settled for just making it crappier. Then there were two groups of Republicans opposed to Ryan. Those that would settle for nothing less than an actual repeal and those that didn't want to stick their necks out to vote in crappier healthcare.

Problem is those two groups are difficult to reconcile. One group thinks all government is evil and must be disbanded, another realizes that their voters like large chunks of Obamacare and they will get kicked to the curb if they vote to kill those parts. And the tea party folks aren't exactly known for being good compromisers

Edited by LeoVictoria, 24 March 2017 - 02:37 PM.


#167 LJ

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 07:32 PM

This was all caused by the "freedom caucus", the ultra right wingers. They thought Trumps plan was too generous. When he tried to mollify them the moderate Republicans got nervous that it was getting too restrictive. Now that Obamacare is back as the law of the land, people are already starting to whine that the premiums are too expensive. Best to just let Obamacare continue to implode until everybody is ready to vote for something else. Trump can never make the freedom caucus guys happy, he will need to convince some Democrats to come onboard. With health  care it shouldn't be too hard if you just leave it alone for awhile.


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#168 Jason-L

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:04 PM

This was all caused by the "freedom caucus", the ultra right wingers. They thought Trumps plan was too generous. When he tried to mollify them the moderate Republicans got nervous that it was getting too restrictive. Now that Obamacare is back as the law of the land, people are already starting to whine that the premiums are too expensive. Best to just let Obamacare continue to implode until everybody is ready to vote for something else. Trump can never make the freedom caucus guys happy, he will need to convince some Democrats to come onboard. With health  care it shouldn't be too hard if you just leave it alone for awhile.

You don't think the fact that Trumpcare had only a 17% approval rating, that Senators and members of the House were getting overwhelmed with people indicating they weren't happy with the proposed Trumpcare, and the general coverage of the propose bill pointing out it was nothing like Trump's promises and far worse what it was supposed to replace had anything to do with it?

You really think it was just the Freedom Caucus?



#169 SimonH

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:05 PM

Seven years to find a replacement for Obamacare and they fail,miserably.
Muslim ban, fail.
How's the art of the deal going fart ?
Are you winning BIGLY ?

#170 LeoVictoria

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:59 PM

Some choice comments stolen from reddit:

 

"A senior Obama official emails: “Today’s result is seven years in the making. The Republicans focused all of their health care energy on the Obama part and none of the care.”"

 

"We were a 10-year opposition party where being against things was easy to do. You just had to be against it." -Paul Ryan

 

"Ultimately, the TrumpCare bill failed because of two traits that have plagued the Trump presidency since he took office: incompetence and broken promises. In my life, I have never seen an administration as incompetent as the one occupying the White House today.

“They can’t write policy that actually makes sense, they can’t implement the policies they do manage to write, they can’t get their stories straight, and today we’ve learned that they can’t close a deal, and they can’t count votes," he said.

“So much for the Art of the Deal." - Senator Shumer



#171 Benezet

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 11:06 PM

I think I hear the jangle of keys approaching this thread....
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#172 LJ

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Posted Yesterday, 08:01 PM

You don't think the fact that Trumpcare had only a 17% approval rating, that Senators and members of the House were getting overwhelmed with people indicating they weren't happy with the proposed Trumpcare, and the general coverage of the propose bill pointing out it was nothing like Trump's promises and far worse what it was supposed to replace had anything to do with it?

You really think it was just the Freedom Caucus?

Yes. If only half of the freedom caucus were in favour of it, it would have passed.

 

It's fun now watching the media interview all the people who are so disappointed that it didn't pass, and the people on Obamacare that are complaining that their premiums are way too high. Now when the only insurer in a particular state decides to double or triple the rates next year, or pull out all together the fun times will really begin.


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#173 RFS

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Posted Yesterday, 09:33 PM

Yes. If only half of the freedom caucus were in favour of it, it would have passed.

It's fun now watching the media interview all the people who are so disappointed that it didn't pass, and the people on Obamacare that are complaining that their premiums are way too high. Now when the only insurer in a particular state decides to double or triple the rates next year, or pull out all together the fun times will really begin.


or when the people who can't afford their premiums start getting fined for not having insurance..

 



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