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#281 LJ

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:52 PM

It's interesting as to why you'd shoot the security guard before you start the rampage.  Unless he just came upon your cameras set up in the hall and was scratching his head as to what the hell.  But what was he doing up on the 32nd to begin with, if nobody alerted him to that area.  Maybe security cameras saw the shooter setting up his hallway cameras?

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#282 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:59 PM

Oh, the engineer and the alarm.  The problem that triggered the alarm just happened to be on the same floor and wing, but it was unrelated to the gunman?  We do know a smoke alarm went off due to the gunfire.  Or at least we were told that.


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#283 todd

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:01 PM


OCTOBER 11, 2017  --- http://fox2now.com/2...vegas-massacre/

 

............A maintenance worker says he immediately notified hotel dispatchers after a gunman sprayed a hotel hallway with bullets before shooting into a crowd at a Las Vegas music festival.

 

Stephen Schuck told NBC News on Wednesday that he was checking on a jammed door on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel on Oct. 1 when he heard gunshots.

 

He says he saw security guard Jesus Campos pop out from an alcove and was warned to take cover.

 

As he tried to take cover, bulets began flying in the hallway, whizzing right past his head. Schuck says he used his radio to alert hotel dispatchers that someone was firing a rifle in the hallway. ........... 

 

 

 

......Campos had been investigating an alarm that went off in another room on the same floor, signaling that a door had been left open, Lombardo said. Once there, the guard heard a drilling sound in Paddock’s room, and he was then shot through the door.........

 

http://fox2now.com/2...vegas-massacre/

 

Was the smoke alarm retracted from the story?


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#284 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:07 PM

On Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo revised the chronology of the shooting and said the gunman, Stephen Paddock, had shot a hotel security guard through the door of his suite and strafed a hallway of the Mandalay Bay hotel and casino with 200 rounds six minutes before he unleashed a barrage of bullets into the crowd.

 

That account differed dramatically from the one police gave last week when they said Paddock ended his hail of fire on the crowd in order to shoot through his door and wound the unarmed guard, Jesus Campos.

 

“These people that were killed and injured deserve to have those six minutes to protect them,” said Chad Pinkerton, an attorney for Paige Gasper, a California college student who was shot under the arm in the attack. “We lost those six minutes.”

 

Maintenance worker Stephen Schuck told NBC News that he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard gunshots and the hotel security guard who had been shot in the leg peeked out from an alcove and told him to take cover.

 

“It was kind of relentless so I called over the radio what was going on,” Schuck said. “As soon as the shooting stopped we made our way down the hallway and took cover again and then the shooting started again.”

 

Gunshots can be heard in the background as Schuck used his radio to report the shooting, telling a dispatcher: “Call the police, someone’s firing a gun up here. Someone’s firing a rifle on the 32nd floor down the hallway.”

 

http://fox8.com/2017...-response-time/


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 11 October 2017 - 09:08 PM.


#285 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:09 PM

So there may be some confusion over the timing of the maintenance man's actions, and the security guy's movements.


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#286 todd

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:47 PM

 

Oct 11, 2017

 

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  • The ongoing investigation has, however, prompted another revision to the shooting timeline, which "could change even more," Lombardo says. According to Lombardo, Paddock checked into a free-of-charge room at Mandalay Bay on Sept. 25, three days earlier than previously known. After three days, he moved to a corner suite he paid for on the 32nd floor from which he would carry out the shooting. 

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.................http://www.newser.co...her-update.html

 



#287 Rob Randall

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 12:44 PM

But hallways can be difficult for security cameras to capture — they might be too long or too dark to show what's actually happening — so hotels instead put cameras on bottlenecks like elevator banks. “Typically they want to see who’s coming onto the floor and off the floor, and they can tell now who goes into rooms with the keycards,” the expert said.

The biggest threat to the casinos’ operations today, the one security personnel are trained to be watchful for, appears to be personal-injury lawsuits.

In 10 years at Bally’s, “we saved more money on liability claims than we ever did on table game cheating,” said Joseph, noting that casino footage became an important way to fight personal-injury lawsuits inside the building.

 

 

LA Times: In Las Vegas, the casino is always watching — and yet it missed Stephen Paddock



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:36 PM

 

But hallways can be difficult for security cameras to capture — they might be too long or too dark to show what's actually happening — so hotels instead put cameras on bottlenecks like elevator banks. “Typically they want to see who’s coming onto the floor and off the floor, and they can tell now who goes into rooms with the keycards,” the expert said.

The biggest threat to the casinos’ operations today, the one security personnel are trained to be watchful for, appears to be personal-injury lawsuits.

 

In 10 years at Bally’s, “we saved more money on liability claims than we ever did on table game cheating,” said Joseph, noting that casino footage became an important way to fight personal-injury lawsuits inside the building.

LA Times: In Las Vegas, the casino is always watching — and yet it missed Stephen Paddock

Starting with the rosary beads the maids carry on the top floors hallways/parts of the Bally’s. They have only lost 84+ people in that building(yes it still stands contrary to some websites old MGM Grand = Bally’s today)



#289 Cassidy

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:24 PM

The only thing that ever changed after the fire at the MGM is the paint on the walls.

 

Bally's has tried very hard to make it look like a different building, but it's actually exactly the same as it was the day of the fire.

 

The only part of the hotel that wasn't affected by the fire is the single tower right on the Strip. 

You can even see how they tried to "disguise" the top of the old pyramid/theater by painting stripes on it ... it works pretty well, until you realize that under those stripes is the exact same building that was on fire.


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#290 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 06:41 AM



#291 Mike K.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 06:52 AM

Yeah, he sums it up pretty well. Smart guy.

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#292 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:25 AM

Of all the places for the security guard to suddenly show up, after more than a week, after being a no-show for other interviews.  It's on the Ellen show, a show owned by MGM/Time Warner/Telepictures.


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 19 October 2017 - 07:27 AM.

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#293 Mike K.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 09:50 AM

Likely for a nice pay-out, too.


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#294 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 10:18 AM

^He refused cash payment but got a lot of cool swag: VIP Superbowl tickets, etc. 

 

This is a good non-tinfoil-hat version of the events:

 

https://www.reviewjo...mpos-interview/


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#295 todd

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 10:44 AM

 

I think there's a strong possibility here that VHF is a Tucker fan <_<



#296 todd

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 11:11 AM

First mgm ad since the shooting(controversial):

 
Last mgm ad before the shooting:

 

"We Are Not In The Hotel Business We Are In The Holy Sh*t Business"


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