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Poll: What do you think of the report $1.2 billion Dollar sewage treatment cost. (58 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you think of the report $1.2 billion Dollar sewage treatment cost.

  1. We need it and waited too long that is the cost of waiting too long! (56 votes [21.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.71%

  2. Local, Provincial, and Federal politicians will find a way to help cut down the price to property owners. (3 votes [1.16%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.16%

  3. Out of the question, too expensive for Greater Victoria. (115 votes [44.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.57%

  4. It expensive, but if we do nothing costs will only rise. (18 votes [6.98%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.98%

  5. We need to do it but greatly scale back the project. It has grwon out of hand. (33 votes [12.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.79%

  6. No opinion, I do not know enough about the project to say of the costs are out of line or not. (33 votes [12.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.79%

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#4981 JohnN

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 05:10 AM

Patrick Wolfe letter in TC (letters@timescolonist.com) today, excerpt:
 
The rationale for the B.C. government’s 2006 order to the CRD to create a plan for land-based sewage treatment was refuted soon after by marine scientists, and the order has been without scientific merit ever since. This is why scientists and public-health officials have repeatedly decried “a massive public expenditure for which no measurable benefit has been identified.”
 

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#4982 JohnN

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 08:20 AM

Letter in TC today, "Sewage project an abuse of government power": http://www.timescolo...ower-1.19399137

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#4983 JohnN

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 05:20 AM

Note that current marine-based sewage treatment system produces NO sludge! 

 

Excerpt:

Saanich Mayor Richard Atwell told directors that the CRD board had
“handcuffed” itself by agreeing to turn the project over to the
project board.

The flashpoint for his frustration was the project board’s proposal to
deal with sewage sludge, the leftovers from sewage treatment. The
provincially approved plan calls for sewage sludge to be piped about
18 kilometres from the plant to be built at McLoughlin Point to
Hartland Landfill.

 

CRD directors ‘handcuffed’ on sludge ideas, Saanich mayor says: 
http://www.timescolo...says-1.19712764


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#4984 North Shore

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 08:02 AM

^  perhaps I'm quibbling over semantics (what, exactly, is sludge?)  but, AFAIK, the current system screens the pipes before proceeding to the outfall.  The product of that screening is landfillable sludge, no?


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#4985 Sparky

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 08:32 AM

^  perhaps I'm quibbling over semantics (what, exactly, is sludge?)  but, AFAIK, the current system screens the pipes before proceeding to the outfall.  The product of that screening is landfillable sludge, no?

 

No. The "screenings" withhold the non biodegradable solid items (plastics etc) that travel down the pipe. These do end up in the landfill.

 

Sludge is the biodegradable solids (turds) that are separated from the liquids during the secondary treatment process.



#4986 JohnN

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 12:03 PM

No. The "screenings" withhold the non biodegradable solid items (plastics etc) that travel down the pipe. These do end up in the landfill.

 

Sludge is the biodegradable solids (turds) that are separated from the liquids during the secondary treatment process.

 

Screenings probably include anything caught by the 6 mm screens at Macaulay and Clover pump stations so could be plastics, wood, metal, fibre, glass. This  table below is from page 21 of CRD Solid Waste Annual Report 2015: https://www.crd.bc.c...lReport2015.pdf

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#4987 North Shore

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 02:43 PM

^Interesting, the increase in Asbestos.  I wonder if that coincides with an increase in the hassles involved in trying to dispose of it legally, and people are finding it easier to just flush asbestos-containing material down the toilet?


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#4988 JohnN

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 08:32 AM

Letter-writer John Weaver implies that cults of profit and eco-activism will often outweigh evidence-based science in considerations of public policy.
 
Excerpt:
Although we are now beyond the point of no return, it is regrettable that the opinions of clowns such as Mr. Floatie and board members of Tourism Victoria who, as I far as I know, have no scientific expertise, should have prevailed over the advice of both Canadian and U.S. marine scientists and local public-health officers. Apparently, $1 billion of taxpayers’ money is not too much to satisfy the uninformed and emotional concerns of potential visitors.
 
Sewage-project backers use misleading data:

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#4989 JohnN

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 06:14 AM

Excerpt:
 
Sweetnam’s payout was just part of the cost of moving on from Seaterra, said Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps, who chairs the CRD’s sewage committee, but noted she wasn’t in the position when Sweetnam’s contract was negotiated.
 
One of CRD’s top earners hasn’t been on the job since 2015

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#4990 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 06:20 AM

Of course she wasn't. No screw up is ever her fault, according to her.
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#4991 johnk

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 10:10 AM

We are holding the bag for the klowns who gave us Seaterra and a decrepit $17 million shack in Esquimalt. Said klowns have since scuttled off to their hiding places.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:28 PM

CRD Sewage Committee June 14 meeting - agenda+reports+ 2 hour web
video of meeting:
http://crd.ca.granic...d=1&clip_id=974


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#4993 Kungsberg

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 10:57 PM

CRD Sewage Committee June 14 meeting - agenda+reports+ 2 hour web
video of meeting:
http://crd.ca.granic...d=1&clip_id=974

I got a shiver of impending doom (having been primed, I guess, by the JSB issues) when I listened to the segment when Richard Atwell spoke (34-minute mark), when he commented that he doesn't have much of a decision-making role because "it's been voted away".

 

He goes on to lament the "vagueness" of responses from the Project Board, that things are "not quantified", and he wants a "finer level of detail" from them so that he (and others) can understand and make decisions & have meaningful input; that there are often "grey areas".  He wants the Project Board to report back on the implications of requested changes to the schedule & budget. ( At one point, Lisa Helps as Chair shut down his commentary and requested he restrict himself to questions.)  And the reply he received from Don Fairburn was pretty obtuse and dismissive.

 

Is this how mega-projects continue to get out of hand?  



#4994 Kungsberg

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:10 PM

I guess it’s too late to stop this thing, right?.......  :confused:

…especially when you start noticing a few signs of beginning construction.  This is at the James Bay side of the cross-harbour undersea forcemain from Ogden Point to McLoughlin Point. 

 

The 5-metre-high noise wall has been up for a while (although only on 2 sides instead of the 3 sides that would impact residents...hope that's going to be added), the Anglers hut has been removed, and there’s some equipment.

 

From talking to a CRD guy at one of their open houses, the noise wall is actually leased from an outfit in Texas.

 

There will be 12 hour/day drilling noise for 12-18 months as a hole to accommodate the wastewater pipe is first drilled and then reamed out from the James Bay Anglers site on Dallas Rd. to McLoughlin Pt.

 

Drilling will take place from both sides of Victoria Harbour using a process called horizontal directional drilling.

 

Prior to pulling the 48″ wastewater pipe through the hole the pipe sections will be laid out along Niagara St. These sections will occupy Niagara St. from Dallas to Government St.  

 

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#4995 Cassidy

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 06:41 AM

Anybody with even a rudimentary understanding of how sound propagates in free air will immediately realize that the so-called "noise wall" won't do much at all to mitigate drilling noise.

 

The proposed 75dBA - 85dBA level is a bit of a joke, considering that this will be a constant noise over the 12 hour period.

 

Here are a few things that "sound off" at 75 to 85 dBA:

 

1) Alarm Clock

2) Vacuum Cleaner

3) Garbage Disposal

4) Diesel Semi Truck Passing 

5) Snow Blower

 

Noise at, or above 85dBA for an extended period of time is considered by Worksafe to be damaging to your hearing.

 

This project will be many things, but "effectively sound mitigated" definitely isn't one of them.



 



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