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[Sparky]

^^ Don't forget the sludge (read bio-solid) will need to be incinerated, in which the chimney will spoil someone's view. That someone will whine like there is no tomorrow.

 

I know....maybe we could turn the chimney horizontal and hide it under the sea like an outfall pipe.

[G-Man]

Or put it at the top of my giant statue!

[Sparky]

 ^ You would like this sewage sludge incineration / architecture page.

 

http://hundertwasser...-hundertwasser/

[G-Man]

Yikes! Maybe not exactly what I had in mind...

[rjag]

FYI: This is a records storage facility.

Yup I know that....there are quite a few pallets of records from that water break sitting in a freezer 18 years later...

[concorde]

Geoff Young on CBC today said that this could be used as a wedge issue to have the province amalgamate the region!!   

Sounds interesting...welcome to Greater Oak Bay

 

too bad Geoff Young is an idiot with zero power

[North Shore]

What Bingo said in #1559.

 

I can't see how/why it would be any more expensive to dig into the shoreline there, and cover it over again...

[VicHockeyFan]

A 3-page letter, with an attached 98 other pages of documents, has now been sent from CRD to the province, urging them to intervene.

[Holden West]

But if the province imposes the plant on Esquimalt, they may lose the millions in amenities (bike paths etc.) that were negotiated beforehand. Is that correct?

[VicHockeyFan]

But if the province imposes the plant on Esquimalt, they may lose the millions in amenities (bike paths etc.) that were negotiated beforehand. Is that correct?

 

Rob Shaw on CFAX this morning had an idea that seems to have merit.  Province appoints a mediator, gives them 90 days to come to a solution, starting negotiations from mostly on the deal that was sort of in place, including the amenities.  It's very clear to both parties, at 90 days, if no deal, that mediator is going to impose the solution, he has that absolute power.  CRD pretty much gets what it wants, and Esq. saves face, saying even in the shadow of an solution being implemented, they worked hard and they got another round of negotiating from CRD, got a couple more items.

[JohnN]

Or buried underground here, from my post on page 59 of this thread a year ago,

 

But if there were tsunami concerns at McLoughlin Point, might there also be such concerns in a near-shore Clover Point location? 

[JohnN]

Rob Shaw on CFAX this morning had an idea that seems to have merit.  Province appoints a mediator, gives them 90 days to come to a solution, starting negotiations from mostly on the deal that was sort of in place, including the amenities.  It's very clear to both parties, at 90 days, if no deal, that mediator is going to impose the solution, he has that absolute power.  CRD pretty much gets what it wants, and Esq. saves face, saying even in the shadow of an solution being implemented, they worked hard and they got another round of negotiating from CRD, got a couple more items.

Amenities such as barging ($2.3million) and a district heat loop concept ($7.4 million) that consultants say still needs a feasibility study might not count as big losses for Esquimalt. Ditto the bike path, especially given that there is no non-DND public route yet to actually get to McLoughlin Point. Could be that the more salient issues to negotiate are a liability absolution agreement whereby CRD assumes full liability for anything that happens at the sewage plant or if the sewage plant causes anything to happen elsewhere.

[LJ]

 

Could be that the more salient issues to negotiate are a liability absolution agreement whereby CRD assumes full liability for anything that happens at the sewage plant or if the sewage plant causes anything to happen elsewhere.

How about if we make that individuals who are members of the CRD....... 

[patrick venton]

sludge dilution in the ocean atmosphere , not the air atmosphere.  Dilution ,dilution, and more dilution .not secondary concentrate and more concentration that eventually will need to be diluted.and diluted .

[weisguy86]

I realize Esquimalt council voted no on the amended application becuase of strong community opposition, however... they knew about all of the opposition before saying to the CRD many months back that they would consider the project if they recieved some $15M in ammenities.

 

My point here is we have been paying many people hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to work on this project while esquimalt has "lead us on", I think they should pay for the extended delay they put on this project. If they had said no instead of maybe to the first application, we would be several months and tens of thousands of dollars ahead of where we are now.

[Sparky]

^ That is one way to look at the situation. Another way might be to consider that the Esquimalt council is compelled to present the proposed rezoning application to the public for their input before relaxing or changing existing zoning bylaws. This is part of the process. Council can vote to send an application for rezoning to public hearing or vote to send it to the garbage can if it is deemed to lack merit. You are correct, it is their call. Council voted to proceed instead of assuming public sentiment.

The CRD has committed funds that they received from taxation for no less than 3 properties for the proposed sewage treatment plant. With regards to this latest proposal, the CRD presented a building design with a footprint that would encroach on established setbacks that would exist for any developer. A variance to the established building setbacks in this case requires the municipality to rezone the property and the rezoning process includes public hearings in order to give voice to those same stakeholders that supplied the funds in the first place.

To say that "they knew about all of the opposition" is speculation. How could they know without the due process that would allow their opposition to be recorded at a public hearing?

Your concern about the loss of "tens of thousands of dollars" is a pittance compared to the tens of millions that the CRD has invested in properties without a stitch of consultation with the community beforehand.

[James Bay walker]

My point here is we have been paying many people hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to work on this project while esquimalt has "lead us on", I think they should pay for the extended delay they put on this project. If they had said no instead of maybe to the first application, we would be several months and tens of thousands of dollars ahead of where we are now.

Yes, but in this instance for this gigantic boondoggle of a project, delay is good.  (I think we, should be paying them on top of the costs to 'work' on the project.  Think of it as a reverse performance bonus.)

 

jbw

[JohnN]

Letter: Science backs validity of ocean discharge

TIMES COLONIST
APRIL 19, 2014 

Re: “CRD selected best possible sewage-treatment plan,” April 16.

The writers erred in suggesting that the sewage debate includes persons advocating no sewage treatment.

The Capital Regional District years ago selected the proven science of marine treatment via long ocean outfalls as the best option for Victoria. Based on CRD documentation, the province was convinced that the system would not pollute, but approved the system with the condition that the CRD monitor it and use the data to show non-believers that the system safely treats our sewage.

READ MORE HERE: http://www.timescolo...charge-1.976347

[Mike K.]

Is anyone able to take a peek at the entrance to the Harbour and confirm whether a soil dredger is operating near McLoughlin Point? And if something is out there, can you ascertain what it's up to?

[Sparky]

_{^ Are there any web cams that include that area?}