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#10501 pennymurphy2000

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 07:19 PM

Sorry Al, you have been drinking the Cool Aid for far too long.

 

MEC opened in February and the neighbourhood has suffered every single day since.

 

Things did not improve once the illegal squatters were removed from the courthouse lawn.

 

Before Tent City and MEC we were able to walk on the grass without fear of stepping on used needles.

 

The school didn't need video cameras and locked keypads.

 

There wasn't mentally ill and/or drug addled people wandering around the neighbourhood. 

 

You need to close up shop at the end of your contract and move elsewhere. 

 

Your donations will continue to dwindle until you realize that it was a huge error in judgement to open up next door to a school.

 

Due to your callus disregard for the safety and well being of vulnerable children others will continue to shun your organization. 


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Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:49 PM


 

Before Tent City and MEC we were able to walk on the grass without fear of stepping on used needles.


 

Please Refer to it as something else.........like maybe its name .... MEC is the name of a well established Canadian Company and its a little offensive to see you using their name in reference to homeless issues


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 09:43 AM

 

Due to your callus disregard...

 

You need thick skin to be doing that kind of work, for sure.


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 12:04 PM

Due to your callus disregard for the safety and well being of vulnerable children others will continue to shun your organization.


I hate to say it, but I question why anyone would place children downtown to begin with. I used to have one of my children in daycare downtown but found a needle in the playground. That was enough for me.

The drug addicted are attracted to downtown and you have politicians downtown that are attracted to the drug addicted. I'd say it's a marriage made in heaven, but it's not for anyone not belonging to one of those 2 groups.
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#10505 VicPushedOver

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 12:23 PM

A good neighbour? Cool Aid has proven itself to be is a self-serving, dishonest, inconsiderate, organization, whose only concern is themselves and their unjustifiably large salaries.

 

Cool Aid has had plenty of opportunity to address the concerns and questions the neighbourhood have had, and every single time, they either lied, or did not answer. Last January, presumably to appease the concerns of neighbours and parents, CEO Kathy Stinson said; no one would be moving into Mount Edwards until September 2017 at the earliest, at the time, that was 17 months in the future! Naturally, opposition to the move took a breather. Five weeks later, Cool Aid were moving people into Mount Edwards.

 

Even our most modest requests, like screening potential residents for pedophiles, overnight visitation, or criminal record checks to screen for violent criminal convicts, the removal of the barricade on Rockland to ensure more passive security, blanking out windows facing the school across the street so kids looking out the window of their classrooms could not see inside resident’s rooms where people were shooting up, all ignored. Seriously, does anyone think that any of those requests are or were unreasonable, or even expensive, to implement? They were all simply ignored by Cool Aid.

 

We also asked for security guard outside the building to dissuade loitering and drug dealing, they responded with a Cool Aid employee who sat on the steps and blew soap bubbles, presumably to show everyone that there was nothing to do, meanwhile, around the corner, there was prostitution, drug dealing/using, they did nothing. Cool Aid did eventually acquiesce on the security guard, probably because they wanted to reduce the risk of incidences, prior to them attempting a rezoning application, again, to protect their own interests.

 

If Cool Aid did care about helping vulnerable persons in our community they would have not chosen to put a low barrier housing facility 18 meters from a K8 school. A school that turns over all their income, after expenses, to the Cathedral, which in turn uses it, almost exclusively, to help  vulnerable people, such as the homeless! That’s right they were/are using that money to help and provide for homeless people, not exploit them as cash cows, to enrich themselves.

 

The CCC school is going to disappear just like Saint Andrews did, and for the same reasons, concerns about public safety for their kids, and the deterioration of public safety and security in the neighborhood. And can you blame them? Ask yourself, if you were/are a parent, how much additional risk to the safety and security to your kids would you be willing to tolerate?

 

Cool Aid thought they could get away with it, and for a while in terms of the Cathedral, they did, much to the chagrin of parents to children at the school and local area residents. That only changed when the administration of the Cathedral, (your ultimate turn-the-other-cheek do gooders), finally started to understand the real consequence of having hundreds of people without any consideration for anyone else, most with mental illness, criminal records, and drug addictions, living next door. I am referring to Tent City, but remember Cool Aid’s stated intention was, and is, to move Tent City people, indoors, to Mount Edwards. So it’s the same people! Cool Aid said so themselves.

 

I don't think Allen know what a good neighbour is, so I’ll clarify; good neighbours don't defecate on your lawn, leave bio hazardous drug paraphilia everywhere, house residents who steal from you, openly shoot heroin or smoke crack in front of your kids, have scary and frequent public mental health episodes, and, are usually not responsible for a 24 hour a day stream of emergency response sirens.

The tragedy of all this is not just ours, the homeless also suffer as their real needs are not adequately addressed by Cool Aid. They are simply warehoused, very profitably warehoused.

 

CEO Kathy Stinson, who has not once given us a straight honest answer about anything to do with Mount Edwards. I mean, I kid you not, she even denied signing the document sent to the Provincial government urging them to keep Tent City, and that information was public knowledge at the time!

 

As a, so called nonprofit society, Cool Aid are supposed to release financial information including salaries to the public, but they bundle all salary information together so the public can't see the actual salaries people at the top, pay themselves.

So I will make a direct and honest question to Allen, how much does Kathy Stinson make in salary, bonus and benefits?

 

So… good neighbours, compared to what, a Hells Angels clubhouse?


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 12:34 PM

As a, so called nonprofit society, Cool Aid are supposed to release financial information including salaries to the public, but they bundle all salary information together so the public can't see the actual salaries people at the top, pay themselves.

So I will make a direct and honest question to Allen, how much does Kathy Stinson make in salary, bonus and benefits?

 

So… good neighbours, compared to what, a Hells Angels clubhouse?

 

We can draw a bit from this:

 

When we lump in all employees, part-time and full-time, the average wage still comes out to $43,559.10

 

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#10507 VicPushedOver

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 12:49 PM

I hate to say it, but I question why anyone would place children downtown to begin with. I used to have one of my children in daycare downtown but found a needle in the playground. That was enough for me.

The drug addicted are attracted to downtown and you have politicians downtown that are attracted to the drug addicted. I'd say it's a marriage made in heaven, but it's not for anyone not belonging to one of those 2 groups.

 

People who don't know what they are talking about should think twice before commenting.

 

First, the Cathedral,the school, and Mount Edwards, are located in Fairfield, Fairfield is a district in Victoria, a district that is NOT called downtown, it is close to downtown yet it isn't downtown, kind of like James Bay, which is close to downtown, but is not downtown. Victoria is a city in B.C.

 

The area around Mount Edwards has a significant number of Senior residents, because it is a relatively safe quiet area that has convenient access to services, and Beacon Hill park. Parents liked the location, because, it was a relatively quite safe and secure neighborhood, prior to Tent City and Mount Edwards and provides parking for parents where they could then walk to downtown. Yes there was Pioneer Park Quadra, where there was some illegal drug use, but people didn't live there, and Quadra street and  the YMCA across the street offered a lot of passive security.

 

I don't know where you live, but I would say, a Low barrier housing facility would almost certainly be better situated in your neighborhood, in your city, wherever that is, than in that neighborhood next to a K8 school.


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#10508 VicPushedOver

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 12:57 PM

We can draw a bit from this:

 

When we lump in all employees, part-time and full-time, the average wage still comes out to $43,559.10

 

 

I will hazard a guess that Kathy Stinson real annual compensation from salary, pass through grants, bonuses, and benefits is not reflected in that figure.

 

Allen, any input?


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 02:33 PM

I don't know where you live, but I would say, a Low barrier housing facility would almost certainly be better situated in your neighborhood, in your city, wherever that is, than in that neighborhood next to a K8 school.


I'm not defending the provinces decision to put those facilities beside a school and I know the neighborhoods, but it's their proximity to downtown that is the issue.

The reason facilities are not built in Sidney, Langford, Sooke or wherever is based on the fact that they would not be used by the people you have identified. You can't force those people to stay in them and many of them would much prefer to be on the street than be in the burbs.

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 03:03 PM

I'm not defending the provinces decision to put those facilities beside a school and I know the neighborhoods, but it's their proximity to downtown that is the issue.

 

Precisely. The facility had to be built somewhere close to downtown and that area, on the border between downtown and Fairfield is a fine choice IMO especially as they could re-purpose an existing building which saved time and money.


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 03:21 PM

I'm unclear why a facility has to be downtown. Does nobody outside of downtowns use drugs and alcohol and live dangerously?
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#10512 VicPushedOver

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 03:33 PM

No it doesn't, Fairfiled already has more than its fair share of supportive housing.

Why not share the joy.

 

And I say again, Mount Edwards, the Cathedral, and the School, are in Farifield, its not downtown, its not in between downtown and Farifield, Fairfield.

 

I don't think we deserve to be converted into Vancouver's Downtown East Side because we don't live in Fernwood, where Helps and Loveday live.

 

And the building is far from ideal for housing people as is. For one, it has never been seismically retrofitted. If they do do the seismic, it would probably cost more than too build a new purpose built building. I belief there is also still asbestos on the top floor.

 

Plus, its haunted :)


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#10513 A Girl is No one

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:00 PM

I agree. This is (was) a safe, quiet residential neighbourhood. Many families chose to live there so they could walk to work, the children walk to school. Now they will have to move back to the suburbs and drive in.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 06:31 PM

I will hazard a guess that Kathy Stinson real annual compensation from salary, pass through grants, bonuses, and benefits is not reflected in that figure.
 
Allen, any input?


I highly doubt that you will receive input online about someone's salary.

His name is Alan.

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 09:10 PM

We can draw a bit from this:

 

When we lump in all employees, part-time and full-time, the average wage still comes out to $43,559.10

 

 

If I recall, I had read her salary was about $220K in 2015. That was similar to Don Evans (again if my memory is correct).


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Posted 10 November 2016 - 12:11 AM

I'm unclear why a facility has to be downtown. Does nobody outside of downtowns use drugs and alcohol and live dangerously?

Yes, but once they get to a certain point, and are on the street, it is mainly downtown.  You can politely (or not) ask them to be homeless on the street in Oak Bay, but I doubt they will state that is a great idea, then hop on a bus to go there.  



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 09:05 AM

I hate to say it, but I question why anyone would place children downtown to begin with. I used to have one of my children in daycare downtown but found a needle in the playground. That was enough for me.
 

 

I'm a parent with a child in a daycare "downtown".  Why would anyone do it?  Because, if I get a call from the daycare, I can be there within 10 minutes.  Because it's where I work - because I have every right to be downtown, as does my child, and we cannot let downtown be taken as a place not appropriate for children, or those not addicted.  Further, should my children stay in the public system - Central Middle School is their catchment school.  Christ church school is also an exceptional school - both of which were there long before our current epidemic of drug use and abuse.  So are we now going to be building new schools to accommodate the displacement of children impacted so that downtown can continue its slide into a kind of "no man's" land?  Downtown needs to be safe - it is the economic heart of the community.    


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#10518 Nparker

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 09:08 AM

I'm a parent with a child in a daycare "downtown".  Why would anyone do it?...because I have every right to be downtown, as does my child, and we cannot let downtown be taken as a place not appropriate for children, or those not addicted...

This. 


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Posted 10 November 2016 - 09:10 AM

The car dealer building next to Central Care Home will lose its last tenant at the end of this month, then it's scheduled for demolition.  Signs on the fencing say the site is "sold".


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Posted 10 November 2016 - 09:35 AM

The car dealer building next to Central Care Home will lose its last tenant at the end of this month, then it's scheduled for demolition.  Signs on the fencing say the site is "sold".

It will be nice to have the view opened up to the CCH.  :rolleyes:


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