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[spanky123]

also I have heard that BC attracts so many because it's easy to make money with how good the recycling program is here, can cash in beer and pop containers and all sorts of metal, and sell curb scores everywhere...

 

I would also think that it is easy to make money panning from bleeding heart Liberals and uneducated tourists.

[spanky123]

 

"All the aggravations of having all these limitations placed on you by a bunch of people that know you not at all and ? that they know better than you to like run your life for you.  CCM has a petition to demand no rules on when someone can stop in and ID." 

 

 

 

If they keep getting then why not keep asking?

[Dietrich]

If they don't like the very few rules put on them in these facilities then they can get their asses back on the street. 

 

On another note, I wish I had the freedom to decorate my front door like a high-schooler's locker; most stratas won't even allow a welcome mat or holiday decor

Edited by Dietrich, 11 January 2017 - 12:13 PM.

[On the Level]

Watching some of the videos, it must be a real nightmare working at CCM. I feel sorry for the one worker that gets bombarded with illogical angry accusations.

Not that I am saying that CCM was a great implementation of care, but it's a lot cheaper than jail where a number of these folks would have eventually ended up.

What a mess. It's easy to point out the failings with the current approach to house this population, but there really isn't an easy answer to successfully help these people. The Charter doesn't allow families to force them into care. What do you do?

[Rob Randall]

I'm confident if two or three of these folk were integrated into a different type of facility with higher-functioning residents they would more easily fall in line and behave better. Spread them around a bit. But lumping them all together into one low-barrier facility and it becomes a zoo.

 

A low-barrier facility needs a kind but firm parent-type figure watching over things.

[VicHockeyFan]

I'm confident if two or three of these folk were integrated into a different type of facility with higher-functioning residents they would more easily fall in line and behave better. Spread them around a bit. But lumping them all together into one low-barrier facility and it becomes a zoo.

 

A low-barrier facility needs a kind but firm parent-type figure watching over things.

 

That is what I have said.  And give them chances to fail, and try again.  Hey you get booted, you are out for 3 months.  Come back to this or another facility in 3 months we will give you another chance.  They will learn the behaviour that earns them longer stays.  But a "no-eviction policy?  What the?   

[Rob Randall]

None of what we are doing seems to fit with the admired "four pillars" and "million-dollar Murray" school of thought.

Edited by Rob Randall, 11 January 2017 - 01:17 PM.

[VicHockeyFan]

None of what we are doing seems to fit with the admired "four pillars" and "million-dollar Murray" school of thought.

 

Rob, can you PM me?

[LJ]

None of what we are doing seems to fit with the admired "four pillars" and "million-dollar Murray" school of thought.

It's interesting that your "four pillars" link goes to a Vancouver city website, where they espouse how successful it is in other cities, but they don't do it themselves.

[LJ]

I mean look - these guys get free meals every day and never so much as have to wash one dish ever.  Or wipe down a shower stall, or clean a toilet or buy toilet paper ever again.  Ya, that's a good idea.  

Just to be clear, their "entitlements" are not "free" they are provided at no cost to the recipients by the rest of us.

[VicHockeyFan]

We now have a truncated version of a visit to the Our Place safe consumption site this past Monday morning (January 9th).

 

On the audio file, the site counsellor offers to point out a "good" drug dealer in the courtyard, so the visitor can buy drugs immediately.

 

 

HERE:   http://vocaroo.com/i/s0QSZKOsm51s

[A Girl is No one]

^^^^wow!!!! And some staff at Insight have admitted to teaching first timers on how to inject. Normalization at its best...hey, it's government run after all, it must be ok...I'd hate to have a teenager right now...I'd be worried sick...

[Karma2017]

 

Just in case we have forgotten...

 

• Free medical and dental
• Free pet medical and food
• Free acupressure, acupuncture and chiropractic services
• Free showers 
• Free haircuts
• Free bus passes (tickets)
• Free drug consumption supplies
• Free supervised drug consumption areas
• Free condoms and lube
• Free clothing
• Free reflexology
• Free art and craft classes, knitting
• Free reiki
• Free optometry clinic
• Free bingo
• Free movie nights
• Free computer skills training
• Free foot hygiene
• Free computer use
• Free incoming mail and telephone message centre
• Free outgoing phone and fax
• Free employment skills program
• Free housing or shelter of various forms
• Free money each month
• Free served food daily - including sit-down breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks on demand outside of meal times, all from the same centre.  Or move about a bit and get it from various vendors each day.
• Free groceries (limited)

 

also free trips to the recreation center, 52 per year...

[A Girl is No one]

Some words from an addictions counselor with 25 years of experience:

http://www.huffingto...dushpmg00000003

"In reality, addicts need their loved ones to make it as uncomfortable as possible for them to remain in their active addiction. If you have an addict in your life, this is actually the most loving thing you can do for them, because it holds them to a higher standard and encourages them to take responsibility for themselves. The more we inappropriately behave as caretakers for people who can -- and should -- be taking care of themselves, the less belief they'll have in their own resiliency and capabilities. The addiction will go on and on, usually just becoming more entrenched over time because addiction is a progressive condition that needs to be halted. In other words, if you love an addict, you need to stop enabling their unhealthy life choices in order to see any meaningful change happen."

[spanky123]

^ I think that anyone with common sense knows this. The problem is that it is hard to profit from denying services to people.

[VicHockeyFan]

We now have a second truncated version of a visit to the Our Place safe consumption site this past Monday morning (January 9th).

 

On the audio file, the site counsellor says Our Place staff will "look the other way" to drug intoxication, and that "most of the guys here now are high".

 

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0fxn9Lmtzvw

[amor de cosmos]

edited

Edited by amor de cosmos, 12 January 2017 - 09:48 AM.

[RFS]

On the audio file, the site counsellor says Our Place staff will "look the other way" to drug intoxication, and that "most of the guys here now are high".

the families of some of these people should sue our place and the city

[spanky123]

the families of some of these people should sue our place and the city

 

What should happen is that the audio files and pictures should be packaged up and sent to the PR folks at the Hungry Hearts corporate sponsors so they can understand what their money is being used for. I am sure that PWC would be happy to know that they are funding such activity as an example.

[A Girl is No one]

 

We now have a second truncated version of a visit to the Our Place safe consumption site this past Monday morning (January 9th).

 

On the audio file, the site counsellor says Our Place staff will "look the other way" to drug intoxication, and that "most of the guys here now are high".

 

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0fxn9Lmtzvw

 

The effect of having everyone high in Our Place is to victimize, once more, the homeless that are not drug addicts and/or violent. They learn to stay away. But every government sponsored homeless outfit now is low barrier, and enables drug addicts at the expense of everyone else. Where else are the other ones supposed to go?