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[VicHockeyFan]

So I popped into the methadone door at Shoppers yesterday. The person I spoke with said that if I have a methadone prescription I can choose that side door, or the regular counter inside. But no other types of drugs were available at that side door.

I asked why they needed a separate entrance. She said for "privacy"

[LJ]

So recovering addicts need privacy but if you want to shoot up illegal drugs you walk in the front door of the safe consumption site. So there is a stigma to not using illegal drugs but no stigma to using illegal drugs. What a great country eh?

[VicHockeyFan]

I'm unclear why walking into a special side, unmarked door is more private than going to the counter and presenting your prescription.

[zoomer]

Everyone knows why you're going to the special side door, and it ain't to pick up a 24 pack of toilet paper. Thanks for the investigative reporting VHF. Now see if you can find out when they are moving to Chapters.

[VicHockeyFan]

I tell you, too.  She was very suspicious of my line of questioning.  She was actually reluctant to explain it at all, after she asked me if I had a methadone prescription, and I replied I did not, but "I'm just a guy with some questions".

 

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[Karma2017]

^ Nearly 400 bus tickets are given away for free each day.

its not that easy to get them and theres a huge demand and most of these sleezeballs, esp people at Our Place etc who get them trade them for cigarettes/sell them, so even less available for people that need them, its not as easy as you think!  Have you ever been to these supposed "400" places?  Wheres a list?  I dont see one...and you gota go at a specific time, more like an hour earlier, every single day just to get a chance to get one, and qualify, it cant be for any old excuse/lie...

[Mike K.]

It seems like it is for any old excuse or lie if many are eventually hawked for spare change or cigarettes.

[VicHockeyFan]

its not that easy to get them and theres a huge demand and most of these sleezeballs, esp people at Our Place etc who get them trade them for cigarettes/sell them, so even less available for people that need them, its not as easy as you think!  Have you ever been to these supposed "400" places?  Wheres a list?  I dont see one...and you gota go at a specific time, more like an hour earlier, every single day just to get a chance to get one, and qualify, it cant be for any old excuse/lie...

 

It's 85 places, I linked the list earlier here.

 

And I've been offered tickets for sale at the bus stop many times.

[spanky123]

I think we have to distinguish between not working and getting PWD or social assistance vs. being a guest of the tax payers and living in a place like CCH. I should have been more precise. I would not want to live in the former, but the latter has everything provided plus the welfare money to spend. I'd love to have spending money after I'm finished paying my housing, food, taxes, insurance, utilities, etc.

 

You are right. There are grey areas and exceptions to rules but the people I really feel for are the ones on PWD will illnesses or condition that were not due to lifestyle choices are bad decisions.

 

I met a very proud young lady with CP the other day struggling to survive on the $900 a month or so that she gets. Even though she is confined to a wheel chair, she has a part time job that allows her to afford a minimal lifestyle. She is not out building tent cities, the poverty pimps don't care about her because they can't make a profit off of her back, and the politicians ignore her because someone surviving day to day isn't a story that they can leverage to make news for themselves.

 

We have a pretty upside down system when, as a society, we devote our resources to the punks who are fully capable of supporting themselves but choose not to and ignore the people who actually have the potential to be contributors on a greater scale.

[VicHockeyFan]

There is a story in today's TC, about a mother's anger at having to wait 2 to 4 weeks to get her daughter on a methadone program. 

 

Now, the story does not say it, but I'll guess her daughter has been a addict for more than 2 to 4 weeks already.

 

The mother says it is upsetting because "it's a very small window when they agree they need help".

 

Look, it's a very large window of 8 months when my mother needs a new hip, but she toughs it out.

 

These addicts and their enablers really do feel entitled.  Look, the reason there is a 2 to 4 week wait is because the few doctors that prescribe methadone need special training, and it's likely to weed out abuse.

[Nparker]

And unlike waiting a few weeks for say, cancer treatment, waiting to get on Methadone isn't going to kill someone. As unpleasant as it may be, people can quit illicit drugs cold-turkey.

[UDeMan]

There seems to be more than the normal amount of people begging downtown today. Seems like every few store fronts someone is out begging.  Also a few people yelling and screaming at the corners of Johnson/Douglas and Yates/Douglas

[Dietrich]

There seems to be more than the normal amount of people begging downtown today. Seems like every few store fronts someone is out begging.  Also a few people yelling and screaming at the corners of Johnson/Douglas and Yates/Douglas

 

The fresh new face of Victoria

[VicHockeyFan]

There seems to be more than the normal amount of people begging downtown today. Seems like every few store fronts someone is out begging.  Also a few people yelling and screaming at the corners of Johnson/Douglas and Yates/Douglas

 

It's a combination of the better weather, and the time of the month.  It's been a while since the last welfare cheque.

[VicHockeyFan]

As unpleasant as it may be, people can quit illicit drugs cold-turkey.

 

As hundreds do every day in Canada as they enter prison.

[HB]

You know better than that.

there are lots of illicit drugs available in prisons in this country.

[HB]

Correctional Service Canada

Edited by HB, 14 February 2017 - 03:37 PM.

[VicHockeyFan]

I believe drugs are quite rare in prison especially to those that can not afford them. You can't do car breakins in prison to support your habit.

[Karma2017]

It's 85 places, I linked the list earlier here.

 

And I've been offered tickets for sale at the bus stop many times.

oops, sorry for mistake....and link didnt work i checked and didnt see a list

[Dinya]

 

I met a very proud young lady with CP the other day struggling to survive on the $900 a month or so that she gets. Even though she is confined to a wheel chair, she has a part time job that allows her to afford a minimal lifestyle. She is not out building tent cities, the poverty pimps don't care about her because they can't make a profit off of her back, and the politicians ignore her because someone surviving day to day isn't a story that they can leverage to make news for themselves.

 

We have a pretty upside down system when, as a society, we devote our resources to the punks who are fully capable of supporting themselves but choose not to and ignore the people who actually have the potential to be contributors on a greater scale.

 

I know a guy, in his late 40s, permanently disabled (though mobile) from a stroke he had a couple years ago, struggling to survive.  He chose to take the extra $$ instead of the bus pass when Krusty and her ilk decided to take away the bus pass program for PWDs so he could be able to buy more food.  Without the ability to go anywhere, he has been unable to find part-time job to supplement his disability pay.  If it weren't for his parents, OAP's themselves, there is no way he'd be able to afford the housing situation he has.

 

Why aren't there more social organizations helping people like him?  People who would be more grateful for the assistance?

 

This is just one of the reasons why I will not support any organization enabling street people / drug addicts that refuse to at least try and be good citizens.