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#13461 A Girl is No one

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Posted Yesterday, 07:57 AM

http://www.timescolo...emma-1.23071301


Why is the TC finally covering this issue properly now that MT Edwards has been approved? Now that city and Coolaid have allowed what will likely destroy yet another school and neighbourhood?

I was at the meeting. Those who opposed mt Edwards brought evidence, research, professional expertise, and experience to demonstrate why this was a bad idea. No the opposition is not just based on fear.

The minority in support only talked of their personal experience walking by it twice a day. Even though what is going to be there is entirely different from what has been.

Supporters (councillors who voted in favour included) were all talking of hope, as in “I hope this will work”. I’m getting seriously peeved at hearing that neighbours opposing mt Edwards only speak out of fear while everyone else is rational. It’s the other way around.
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#13462 VicHockeyFan

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Posted Yesterday, 08:01 AM

Look I have said for years the same as Gudgeon says in the article. What are the goals, what are the objectives the agencies are to meet in order to have their contracts renewed?

If the goal is to attract as many losers to this town as possible, they are meeting it.

If the goal is to end homelessness, big fail.

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#13463 tjv

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Posted Yesterday, 09:05 AM

you are never going to end homelessness, you could give and give and give until you hurt and all these people are going to do is take take take.

 

Free/cheap housing = more money for drugs, booze, smokes, etc, etc

Free food/groceries = more money for drugs, booze, smokes, etc, etc

Free clothes = more money for drugs, booze, smokes, etc, etc

Free whatever = more money for drugs, booze, smokes, etc, etc

 

If I see someone begging for money, etc and they are smoking my immediate thought is you have money for cigarettes but no money for food?  Not my problem

 

All this is doing is enabling.  What we aren't doing is teaching and helping these people to be productive members of society, working, paying taxes, contributing to society, etc.  For that reason I refuse to give money to local charities any longer.


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#13464 spanky123

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Posted Yesterday, 09:07 AM

Will be interesting to see how they handle the homeless count in Feb. The standard used in 2016 was that anyone who did not have a permanent home was considered homeless. By definition then, everyone in any of the transitional shelters is still considered homeless. Add in the newcomers and campers and the number is sure to do double what it was previously. Is Helps going to stand up and say that we have spent $100M+ on homelessness over the past two years and the net result is that we have twice as many people who are homeless?


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#13465 Nparker

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Posted Yesterday, 09:50 AM

...Is Helps going to stand up and say that we have spent $100M+ on homelessness over the past two years and the net result is that we have twice as many people who are homeless?

It will enable her argument for more money.


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#13466 Rob Randall

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Posted Yesterday, 09:54 AM

I just finished watching Ken Burns's Vietnam; the generals insisting the US was winning because of the favourable body counts and kill ratios. The numbers don't lie, right?
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#13467 rmpeers

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Posted Yesterday, 10:28 AM

Will be interesting to see how they handle the homeless count in Feb. The standard used in 2016 was that anyone who did not have a permanent home was considered homeless. By definition then, everyone in any of the transitional shelters is still considered homeless. Add in the newcomers and campers and the number is sure to do double what it was previously. Is Helps going to stand up and say that we have spent $100M+ on homelessness over the past two years and the net result is that we have twice as many people who are homeless?


Until they address the 300-400 moving here every year, they will never address the issue in a meaningful way. No local officials or poverty industry folks ever talk about that aspect. A cynic would say that the steady influx creates a steady reliable demand for poverty industry services. I wouldn't say that but a cynic might.

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#13468 VicHockeyFan

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Posted Yesterday, 10:49 AM

April:

 

Opinion: In just a one-year period, 388 homeless people moved into Greater Victoria – can we expect more?

 

 

http://victoriabctod...we-expect-more/



#13469 tjv

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Posted Yesterday, 12:20 PM

^interesting, but I guess if you will build it (free homeless shelters), they will come

 

If it is indeed true that 388 people moved to Victoria, then it isn't a local problem, not a provincial problem, but a federal problem


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Posted Yesterday, 02:22 PM

Yesterday I was walking near the Dutch Bakery. Some guy was sitting with his cap out. A young guy came along and gave him a bakery item in a bag. When I walked by fifteen minutes later, he was standing with cap out, eating his bakery goodie. Bad optics.


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#13471 Bingo

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Posted Yesterday, 02:33 PM

Yesterday I was walking near the Dutch Bakery. Some guy was sitting with his cap out. A young guy came along and gave him a bakery item in a bag.

When I walked by fifteen minutes later, he was standing with cap out, eating his bakery goodie.  Bad optics.

 

Yeah, he could have traded his donut from some drugs and been shooting up when you returned fifteen minutes later.


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Posted Yesterday, 02:45 PM

It's bad optics for a homeless person to be eating?

So, there is a guy that hangs outside the downtown Timmies. Nice enough, none aggressive, always says good morning. I have no need to carry cash or change, so one day I came out and let him know the church down the block serves breakfast. He was actually still polite, but let me know he he wasn't interested in breakfast.
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#13473 tjv

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Posted Yesterday, 07:36 PM

I would say there are 12-15 tents still at Willows this evening from a drive by



#13474 VicHockeyFan

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Posted Yesterday, 07:42 PM

I've said it here time and time again.  The first step to lowering the homeless count is to register people requiring services at Our Place.  And cut out many of the free meals.


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#13475 tjv

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Posted Yesterday, 07:51 PM

^my thought would be to bring in a pay stub from labour unlimited, etc and get a free meal



#13476 VicHockeyFan

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Posted Yesterday, 07:59 PM

^my thought would be to bring in a pay stub from labour unlimited, etc and get a free meal

 

First off, just register.  You can not receive a welfare cheque without a register/screening system.  Free food, clothing, foot massages etc. should be the same.


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