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[Vic West] Roundhouse at Bayview Place | Condos; rentals; hotel; commercial | 2008 plan approved | 2020 plan proposed

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#721 Fairbanks

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 04:11 PM

 I am soooo tired of Mayor Moonbeam and her otherworldly "council".  It's time to develop this property to it fullest potential and for the VIC City Council to stop their endless B*)) Sh&t.


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#722 Nparker

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Posted 10 March 2023 - 09:11 AM

This came up in my Facebook memories today from 2 years ago.

Roundhouse plan Mar 10 2021.jpg

How much progress have we seen so far?   :squint:



#723 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 March 2023 - 09:13 AM

That guys not likely to live long enough to see it through.
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#724 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 March 2023 - 09:17 AM

In 2017 he was already 50 years into the business.

https://renx.ca/inde...-focus-equities

So he’s already on statistically borrowed time.

#725 Fairbanks

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Posted 10 March 2023 - 01:33 PM

I thought this would move forward once Mayor Wingnut and her wacky entourage left town.  Disappointed.  The city needs this area to be a public market and outdoor living space.



#726 Nparker

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Posted 10 March 2023 - 01:43 PM

I thought this would move forward once Mayor Wingnut and her wacky entourage left town...

They never left town; they just have new names and faces.


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#727 IPH

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Posted 10 March 2023 - 04:32 PM

I think there are some significant remediation costs in the round house area and even more so in the part of the site closest to Lime Bay that need to be addressed before much more can proceed.



#728 DavidSchell

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Posted 10 March 2023 - 05:59 PM

They never left town; they just have new names and faces.


You got that right 😵‍💫

#729 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 06:00 AM

Victoria council to get look at ambitious Roundhouse plan in Vic West

 

 

Brent Toderian, a city-planning consultant who has been working on the Roundhouse project, said it offers an opportunity to tackle the five crises Canadian cities are facing — housing, climate, inequity, public health and public infrastructure.

 

Toderian, who spent 30 years as a city planner — including nearly six as the director of planning in Vancouver — said how cities are built drives the housing and climate crises, inequity plays out through zoning, designing ­cities around the car affects ­public health, and public infrastructure is problematic when it’s built far from city centres.

 

He said the Roundhouse development site, next to the downtown core, addresses all five of those crises and strengthens a post-pandemic ravaged downtown.

 

“There’s a real responsibility to be ambitious in what you try to achieve on sites like this,” he said. “Every city should be challenging itself in the context of these crises we face to do things differently and better. If you’re not, if you’re still doing things the old ways, based on the challenges we face, I wonder what you’re doing.”

 

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The second large phase of the Bayview project envisions as many as nine towers ranging in height from 18 to 28 storeys with 1,900 residential units — 16 per cent of which are to be below-market-price rental units — 76,000 square feet of retail and commercial space, and 40 per cent of the site devoted to publicly accessible amenities.
 
While council has an option to move the project to a public hearing, city staff are recommending that work continue to refine the master plan, particularly when it comes to density on the site.
 

Toderian said they may be talking about decimal points of density, but he stressed that every point could be the difference between a project being viable or not.

 

Toderian noted the Roundhouse project was actually approved in 2008, but what was approved was essentially unbuildable due to what was required of the developer.

 

“And it’s always important to remember that when we’re talking about density, we’re talking about homes. We’re talking about whether or not the proposal accommodates 400 fewer homes — in a housing crisis, density is not an abstract or arbitrary ­number,” he said.

 

The city has been recommending a floor-space ratio of 4.0, while the Roundhouse was pushing for 4.75. Toderian said the difference is about 400 housing units.

 

The floor-space ratio is the ratio of the total floor area of a building to the area of the lot on which it sits.

 

 

 

https://www.timescol...ic-west-6943023


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 May 2023 - 06:04 AM.


#730 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 06:05 AM

We’re talking about whether or not the proposal accommodates 400 fewer homes — in a housing crisis, density is not an abstract or arbitrary ­number,” he said.

 

 

In a city (CRD) of over 175,000 homes, is 400 all that significant?  Especially when the build-out here will take 15-20 years.  So an extra 25 per year. 


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 May 2023 - 06:06 AM.


#731 Barrrister

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 07:46 AM

I actually think this is a good location to increase the density even further. All the proposed towers should be allowed to be thirty five floors or higher.  There should be a term that at least one major grocery store be in the ground floor of one of the towers at favorable lease rates along with commercial stores including at least one bank in the other towers. A day care center also needs to have guaranteed space. 

Additionally both a school and a library should be investigated. 

 

To get all the additional floor space some of the units need to be three and four bedrooms and designed to accommodate families. 



#732 Nparker

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 07:54 AM

Will it address the greatest crisis facing us today: abysmal governance?

#733 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 08:10 AM

To get all the additional floor space some of the units need to be three and four bedrooms and designed to accommodate families. 

 

$2.5 million units?


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#734 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 01:35 PM

Move ahead with the latest update for a major overhaul of Vic West’s harbour or continue to refine the plan that’s been in the works for about 15 years. That will be for Victoria council to decide on Thursday (May 4).

 

The Roundhouse at Bayview Place development is a comprehensive reimagining of the area within Catherine, Esquimalt, Sitkum and Kimta roads – bisected by the E&N Railway – and is the second phase of the 20-acre project after the Hillside redevelopment directly to the east.

 

The Roundhouse portion looks to build nine towers, ranging from 18 to 29 storeys, consisting of 76,000 square feet of commercial space, condos, hotels and 156 below-market rental units on a site located in the vicinity of a historic Songhees village and was used by the Lekwungen people for thousands of years before it became industrial lands.

 

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Staff also believe more can be done on improving tower separation for bettering resident livability, mitigating density impacts, ensuring light access to the public realm and permitting views into and through the site – but that would likely push the maximum heights of some buildings to 32 storeys.

 

https://www.vicnews....-heritage-site/

 

 

 

 

 

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^ somehow I feel it'll never look like this, with an open pit with no railings, and a plaza where people have to step over railway lines.  That will not be allowed.  I think there are rules for safety of people, especially using mobility aids.

 

Then again, I'm also sure it'll undergo many changes (or at least requests for changes) over the life of the build-out.

 

In fact I'm also guessing the project is also sold in whole or in parts.  How old is the proponent again?  In his 70's I believe.


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 May 2023 - 01:45 PM.


#735 LJ

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 07:44 PM

So Vancouver kept building more and taller buildings, and they are still in a housing crisis. 

What makes us think that us doing the same will have a different result?


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#736 Barrrister

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 10:13 PM

Move twenty thousand government jobs out of greater Victoria and up island and you will suddenly see the crisis disappear along with lower rents and lower prices for condos.



#737 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 12:08 AM

Move twenty thousand government jobs out of greater Victoria and up island and you will suddenly see the crisis disappear along with lower rents and lower prices for condos.

 

Not so sure.  Retirees from across Canada and the USA like to buy property here.



#738 Mike K.

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 04:24 AM

We’d have a very different crisis on our hands if that ever happened.

That would remove approximately $9.9 billion out of the local economy.

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#739 aastra

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 07:44 AM

You would also need to rewrite all the housing crisis narratives in places like Nanaimo, Kelowna, etc. that never had a lot of government jobs to begin with.



#740 Mike K.

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 07:54 AM

Never let a good crisis go to Nanaimo, is my motto.
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