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#3021 Vin

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 01:32 PM

We have the highest standard of living in the world, and no trains, helping us get there.

Maybe there’s a correlation to having good roads, and the personal freedoms of a vehicle?

If you have a small population and lots of resources, you don't have to do much to reach a high standard of living. However, you should also note that to get there, Canada is also one of the worst when it comes to per-capita pollution, and the ways we operate is simply not sustainable.

 

Also, Canada relied heavily on trains to get here. It still is developing fast due to rail transport. One of the reasons why Vancouver Island and Victoria joined the confederation was because of rail transportation.


Edited by Vin, 14 March 2024 - 01:35 PM.

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#3022 Nparker

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 01:39 PM

 

...Canada is also one of the worst when it comes to per-capita pollution, and the ways we operate is simply not sustainable

FPTP voting is unsustainable as well, but Canada seems to be willing to stick with that.



#3023 Vin

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 01:40 PM

Efficiency = Spoilt..

 

Are trains that efficient?  I guess they work with huge parking areas so people can get to them.  I still think the expense for this is way too much...  Put some express buses along the rail route use for rush hour times.

Correction: Inefficiency= Spoilt

 

No, not parking lots. That's a North American mentality with the "Park and Ride". You build higher density communities centering around the railway stations, just like how Canadian cities first started. The most interesting parts of Canadian communities are still centering around the old city centres and many are served by rail. Let's bring that back to Victoria. 


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#3024 Nparker

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 01:41 PM

...The most interesting parts of Canadian communities are still centering around the old city centres and many are served by rail. Let's bring that back to Victoria. 

The new JSB made this a near impossibility.



#3025 Vin

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 01:44 PM

Where in the world is train transportation increasing?

In every developing nation, car ownership soars. Because people prefer it. In India and China for example.

 

The most developed and advanced of nations, minus US and Canada.


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#3026 Tony

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 02:18 PM

Have a look at the HS2 English rail history. All is not roses.



#3027 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 02:20 PM

The most developed and advanced of nations, minus US and Canada.

Nope. Train transit numbers are not increasing. Show your work.

I already told you the developing nations with the highest populations are choosing cars. Big time.

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#3028 Mike K.

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 02:35 PM

Sorry Vin, not to single you out, but this train transit/LRT etc being the better option is complete garbage. Train manufacturers and transit agencies love for people to push that narrative, for sure.

We have to remember that Vancouver Island was loaded with rail lines. We had several just here in Greater Victoria, even a full on rail trolley system. There was a rail barge connection into James Bay, too. All up and down the Island we had rail, some reaching far into the wilderness to service logging operations.

Once the car arrived, rail died.

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#3029 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 02:40 PM

We had rail when car options (roads) sucked. Once we got paved roads, we’ve never looked back. Almost nobody would buy a house today without a street in front of it.

#3030 FogPub

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Posted 14 March 2024 - 11:09 PM

Your first sentence is not entirely true. We are subsidizing the most inefficient albeit useful infrastructure, when we can subsidize an even more efficient and useful infrastructure. Rail would be part of the equation for the latter. Other places have proven that to be true, but we North Americans are just a little bit behind because we are too spoilt.

 

Rail transportation had a low mode share in Victoria because there was little funding to make it better. Even when available right to the 2000s, the rail technology was what's leftover from the 60s. Who wants to take a rusty and rickety Budd rail car left from ancient times when you can drive on multi-billion dollar paved highways? There is just less and less incentive to take this more efficient mode of transportation, until it was essentially being killed off. I would say this is a very conscious and deliberate attempt of those in power at the time to get rid of a good mass transit system in Victoria to serve the fast-growing gasoline and automobile industry, especially after WW2. 

Rail is efficient if everyone is going from the same point of origin to the same destination and are willing to go at the scheduled time(s).

 

Rail - along with any other form of point-to-point public transit - ceases to be efficient when everyone wants to go to and from different places and-or it isn't running all the time.  This latter point is why I'd love to see a bridge to the mainland.


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#3031 Ismo07

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Posted 15 March 2024 - 07:27 AM

Rail is efficient if everyone is going from the same point of origin to the same destination and are willing to go at the scheduled time(s).

 

Rail - along with any other form of point-to-point public transit - ceases to be efficient when everyone wants to go to and from different places and-or it isn't running all the time.  This latter point is why I'd love to see a bridge to the mainland.

 

Yeah this...  We do not have enough population to support this and certainly not along any proposed rail line.  Would I love to have rail to the airport and ferries?  Of course, do I want to spend $50 per ride for it?  Probably not.



#3032 Mike K.

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Posted 15 March 2024 - 07:34 AM

Same scale.

Rural Europe, with train connections. Rural Vancouver Island, just outside of Victoria.

Notice the massive road network not on our Island? Europeans are far more into car culture than we are. Think of it, like almost every country in Europe has its own automotive manufacturers. Canada has zero.

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