[Vic West] Victoria International Marina | Built - completed in 2018
#1
Posted 07 May 2008 - 06:20 AM
#2
Posted 07 May 2008 - 06:29 AM
The NIMBY counter's going to be smoking at the end of this battle.
#3
Posted 07 May 2008 - 06:42 AM
We better build that to recover the $1.6 million+legal costs (which the article doesn't mention) of our taxpayer dollars the heads at City Hall already lost over this proposal
With Herb Kwan as the architect, does this proposal wreak of a flip or of never being built, or is that just me?
And get a load of this:
"A bronze scuplture of a North Pacific Giant Octopus climbing out of the water, hanging onto a lamp standard, is planned as public art, Evans said."
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#4
Posted 07 May 2008 - 07:46 AM
We must already have some kind of harbor traffic control in place, right?
#5
Posted 07 May 2008 - 08:18 AM
-City of Victoria website, 2009
#6
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:02 AM
#7
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:12 AM
"This is the first one [marina] in Canada that is designed for mega-yachts," said Bob Evans, who, as president of Pacific National Investments, was an original developer of Songhees lands. "There's no marina on the West Coast that can handle all of them because the slips are too small."
Original plans for Songhees included a marina, Evans said. "This finishes this area of the Songhees."
The area was also the focus of an 11-year fight over the city's decision to downzone the two water lots from three storey residential/commercial to one-storey commercial. Victoria changed the zoning in 1993 after residents complained the plans would spoil their water views.
Pacific National complained smaller buildings wouldn't be feasible and argued it should be compensated for work done based on the expectation the water development would proceed. The dispute went up to the Supreme Court of Canada, ending in 2004 when the city was ordered to pay Pacific National $1.6 million.
Hrmm cause doing business with this guy has turned out so well for Victoria in the past...
#8
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:15 AM
- aastra likes this
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#9
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:19 AM
here is a link to the Harbour authorities map of traffic flow of the harbour:
http://www.victoriah...loaded/vhts.jpg
edit: realized the link opens a very small picture,
go here for and click on the picture to open a PDF of the map:
http://www.victoriah...org/marinas.php
#10
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:26 AM
#11
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:33 AM
#12
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:33 AM
Now instead of a few quaint little sailboats the residents will be rewarded with dozens of diesel-spewing megayachts! And they think the kerosene fumes of the floatplanes are bad! They ain't seen nothin' yet!
This proposal actually makes me angry (except for the bronze octopus...I like that because it's so silly). The reason it makes me angry is because it's huge and the original marina that was supposed to be there was just right. Yet ANOTHER case of people opposing something appropriate (in this case, something that every condo buyer KNEW was part of the Songhees plans), only to have something huge (and likely inappropriate and/or problematic) come down the pipe a few years later.
edit looking back in 2019: The final marina ended being pretty standard in terms of its size. Not big, not small. Just a marina. I'm not sure why I thought it was going to be very large, although it's evident over the course of this thread that I (being a landlubber) was never really sure how large the yachts themselves would be. So whatever happened to that octopus sculpture?
Edited by aastra, 22 June 2019 - 11:59 AM.
#13
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:40 AM
#14
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:41 AM
The area is windy, not protected and is unsuitable for a marina, she said. "It is a beautiful walking place ... He's proposing to put in a marina and a restaurant. We really don't need that."
It was designed for a marina but it's unsuitable for a marina.
And they don't need a restaurant. Important point: they live there. They can go home and open the fridge. The rest of us (tourists included) don't live there. We might enjoy a restaurant on the waterfront. But who the hell are we?
#15
Posted 07 May 2008 - 09:44 AM
Thanks, jaylow.the web page might have links to market information
http://victoriainternationalmarina.ca/
The mega yacht slips will accommodate vessels of 65 to 135 feet in length. These yachts are the ultimate in luxury from around the world, most manned by professional crews.
Over the last two decades, the number of these magnificent mega-yachts has increased by over one thousand percent. Cities around the world are welcoming the economic benefits brought by these yachts. Special facilities and state of the art amenities are required to accommodate these high-tech water craft.
http://victoriainternationalmarina.ca
Also from the same site (different page):
In 2005, yacht carrier ships brought approximately 34 large yachts to Victoria from the Caribbean, Florida, and California. In 2006, four carrier shiploads doubled the amount, and in 2007 approximately 12 shiploads were scheduled. Crew and owners then boarded the yachts for cruising on the west coast. With the Victoria International Marina, Victoria will now be able to host these mega yachts in our harbour over longer periods.
(...)
The Victoria area is poised for exponential growth in this area. The mega yacht cruise industry has historically followed the routes of the major cruise lines at points around the world. The BC Coast and Alaska are becoming some of the more popular 'must-see' areas of the world.
#16
Posted 07 May 2008 - 10:28 AM
#17
Posted 07 May 2008 - 11:04 AM
“The proposed Victoria International Marina project does not pose any undo risk to seaplanes operating in and out of the Victoria Harbour.”
Wayne McNeal, President
McNeal & Associates Consultants Ltd.
"Hyack Air fully supports the proposed Victoria International Marina...”
James T. Allard, Vice President
Hyack Air
Therefore, I doubt floatplane activity is threatened.“Will be a definite asset to the harbour."
Captain John (Jack) Bragg, MNI, President
The Greater Victoria Marine Air Safety Society
Plenty of letters of support from all types of community leaders as well.
#18
Posted 07 May 2008 - 11:09 AM
Does somebody have one of those old pics of the Inner Harbour with several Coho size ship in the picture?
#19
Posted 07 May 2008 - 12:15 PM
-City of Victoria website, 2009
#20
Posted 07 May 2008 - 12:21 PM
Now does that not prove that there's plenty of room for these megayachts and the Coho all in one Harbour?
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