Jukebox developers don’t want walkway
A mid-block walkway is supposed to be a convenient shortcut but two prominent local builders say the City’s request to put one in their latest project means they will be building a path to nowhere.
Developers Fraser McColl and Don Charity are poised to start work on the Jukebox, an eight-story condo building on the south side of the 1000 block of View Street. The duo’s previous residential projects include the Mosaic at 1061 Fort Street and The Reef at 21 Erie Street.
City planners encourage mid-block developments to have walkways to allow pedestrians to cut through Victoria’s long city blocks. But often the ultimate success of these urban passageways is dependent on the layout of property beyond the control of the developer.

Developers Don Charity and Fraser McColl are teaming up again on another Harris Green condo project. Photo by Robert Randall © VibrantVictoria.ca.
In the case of the Jukebox, a walkway would lead to the adjacent building owned by Joseph Egoyan at 1028 Fort Street. Egoyan’s mock-Tudor two-storey won a Hallmark Society award in 1992 for heritage restoration. McColl claims Egoyan is not interested in having his property used as a cut-through and in fact will accept no communications from the developers on the subject. The other side of the walkway would face the blank concrete wall and parking ramp of the Adria condo at 1026 Fort Street. City Hall planners have said in the past that walkways should be built even if it means waiting years for neighbouring properties to develop in order to complete the passageway.
A walkway at the eastern edge of the site would prevent the Jukebox from being split in two but would run against the blank wall of the Tara Place apartment building’s parking garage. A path at the western side of the property would terminate against existing two-storey commercial buildings on Fort Street and would be useless until a future developer agreed to continue the walkway to the street.
McColl is no stranger to interior walkways. His St. Andrews Square project on the old Standard Furniture site is a commercial mall at the base of two office buildings connecting View Street to Yates Street. McColl says that today the busy mall pays its own way but for a decade the space was a money-loser.
The standoff is reminiscent of the City’s attempts to introduce a walkway into a proposed development at 819 Yates Street (the Capitol 6/Empire Theatre parking lot). Like the Adria on Fort, the 819 Yates walkway would have adjoined a blank concrete wall and vehicle ramp, in this case, belonging to the St. Vincent de Paul apartments. Despite the fact the site was targeted for a walkway many years earlier, the St. Vincent de Paul wall was built without windows or storefronts and presents a pedestrian-unfriendly facade that hinders any attempt by 819 Yates developers to create a safe, vibrant, viable walkway. The Jukebox developers, faced with a similar dilemma, hope to convince City Hall to drop the walkway idea.
McColl and Charity say they don’t have the patience to wait decades for a potential second half of a walkway to be completed. “It will be a dead-end that will have to be permanently gated,” McColl says.

The Jukebox site adjoins Joseph Egoyan's two-storey Tudor building and the four-storey Adria condo. Photo by Robert Randall © VibrantVictoria.ca.
The Jukebox site is a weed and garbage-strewn vacant lot that still sports pilings from a decades-old failed attempt to build a government-funded apartment block. Prior to that it was the site of the popular Club Tango dance hall.
McColl and Charity hope to recapture the funky vibe of the Mosaic building one block to the south with a mix of small suites wrapped in a eclectic mix of contemporary and deco architecture. The initial designs were the inspiration of long-time collaborator Jan Zak, the architect responsible for the Mosaic rehabilitation of 2000, the neighbouring Jigsaw condo and the Reef condo, among others.
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The five most recent replies to VibrantVictoria.ca's discussion forum's [Downtown Victoria] The Jukebox | Condos | 9-storeys | Approved thread, the most relevant thread to the above headline or article:
VicHockeyFan
Apr 20, 2012 at 2:45 pmQuote: The best example of this sort of commercial space is at 1030 Yates. There's a hair salon and I'm not sure what else. Certainly no street presence nor a desire to attract walk-ins, that's for sure.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=48.425278,-123.355267&spn=0.00136,0.003406&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=48.425264,-123.355121&panoid=sJqWsXKXY0phjvCni-DaeA&cbp=12,346.56,,0,-4.5
Ya, there's a lawyer there too, live/work. But really, that commercial is like it's not even trying. It's almost hiding.
Mike K.
Apr 20, 2012 at 2:56 pm...and with the recessed stairs leading up to the commercial Jukebox just seems like it's trying to replicate 1030.
Quote: I thought that the deal with 1030 Yates was that it was supposed to be residential ground floor but was changed to retail at the last minute which is what accounts for the lack of cohesion and commercial appeal you allude to.
First I've heard but that would explain a few things.
Islander888
Apr 20, 2012 at 4:44 pmQuote: The thing is, does street-level retail really "kill" a deal this big?
Ya, it might be a dumb idea, but say they end up getting 25% lower lease rates than a normal, busier street because of the area. Does that kill it? Not all retail has to attract a walk-by crowd to be viable. Hair salons, specialty retail, stuff like that can work there. Does "retail" mean they can't have say, lawyers offices there?
Great points and common sense would suggest that you are right however.......... remember the earlier post re: common sense, the City mandates that 51% must be 'retail' I.E restaurants, boutiques, stores etc Lawyers, accountants, Hairdressers etc are ok but only up to 49%. These spaces are far too small to be viable for any sort of retail and as for a restaurant, well how many failed in the Mosaic before it switched over? (I believe it was 4?) The venting and fire systems alone would make it a money losing operation before it even opened. Does it kill the project? probably not, but it makes the developer look twice before proceeding, or switching to pre-sales before starting anything. Without the reduced setbacks by going commercial on the ground floor, thus allowing increased density, this project would not be viable in todays market.
Islander888
Apr 20, 2012 at 4:54 pmQuote: ...and with the recessed stairs leading up to the commercial Jukebox just seems like it's trying to replicate 1030.
First I've heard but that would explain a few things.
Mike K.
Apr 21, 2012 at 8:07 amThanks for your input, Islander. I am also glad to hear that the stairs connecting "commercial" spaces have been axed.





