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#1 Mike K.

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 08:58 AM

I recall one member of this forum leaving, when we had an exchange about this very subject.

It takes huge amounts of energy to sustain homes in highrise buildings, and some lowrise buildings are no better. This is from a couple of years ago:

But taller and denser isn’t necessarily better for the environment, according to a new study published in the journal npj Urban Sustainability. By studying the full lifecycle greenhouse gas emissions of urban development—from the production and transportation of the building materials to the energy required to use and live in buildings over time—an international team of researchers has found that high-rise cities are actually producing more total emissions than shorter, but still dense, urban areas.


https://www.fastcomp...dly-skyscrapers

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#2 Sparky

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 09:42 AM

Is the spelling of this thread title correct?

#3 Mike K.

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 10:11 AM

Fixed, thank you.

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#4 Matt R.

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 11:28 AM

We need a study to tell us that a 40 story building uses more energy than a six story one? Must be more to it.

#5 Tony

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 11:35 AM

What if the first six floors are on the full footprint and the rest of the height is thinner,  was that also a variable of the study?



#6 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 11:50 AM

This study sucks.

#7 Mike K.

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 11:56 AM

We’ve always known big buildings are energy hogs and extremely inefficient.

We just don’t talk about it.

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#8 Matt R.

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 12:01 PM

Where does that place on Sidney island fit into energy use? Travel by private boat only (or helicopter gunship), solar, propane, diesel, gas, etc!


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#9 Mike K.

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 12:04 PM

Yeah. Crazy how onerous green off-grid living is.

Something we also don’t talk about.

Those solar panels have another decade of life left. Then they’ll have to be replaced.

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#10 lanforod

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 05:49 PM

Isn’t it more like, degradation over time? Just less efficient? They don’t stop working right at the 20 yr mark or whatever, I’m sure.

#11 LJ

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Posted 24 December 2023 - 07:24 PM

I noticed for the first time a solar panel cleaning outfit in the neighbourhood.


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Posted 24 December 2023 - 07:25 PM

 

We’ve always known big buildings are energy hogs and extremely inefficient.

 

But they're much more efficient to build, service, and live in. Have we forgotten that whole thing re: enviro-conscious city planners are encouraging lot consolidation for all the right reasons and none of the wrong ones?

 

And the typical highrise building doesn't get torn down and replaced anywhere near as frequently as the typical house or lowrise building.



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Posted 24 December 2023 - 07:27 PM

We can never keep our story straight re: the enviro angle. Advocate for one thing today but advocate for the opposite thing tomorrow.

 

Heck, we can never keep our story straight re: anything.



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Posted 24 December 2023 - 11:04 PM

But they're much more efficient to build, service, and live in. Have we forgotten that whole thing re: enviro-conscious city planners are encouraging lot consolidation for all the right reasons and none of the wrong ones?

 

 

They’re quite a bit less efficient to build and live in. They do save on the land cost, though.



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Posted 24 December 2023 - 11:37 PM

 

...They’re quite a bit less efficient to build and live in. They do save on the land cost, though...

Which does Canada have more of - land or energy?



#16 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 25 December 2023 - 01:45 AM

We appear to be short of neither.

#17 Mike K.

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Posted 25 December 2023 - 07:41 AM

Isn’t it more like, degradation over time? Just less efficient? They don’t stop working right at the 20 yr mark or whatever, I’m sure.

Anything exposed to the elements for a couple of decades is going to be worse for wear. Wiring will need upgrading, damage to some panels is inevitable, a leak on the roof is possible over time, and then there’s less efficiency, as you say.

I’d be more concerned with the roof, to be honest. So many points of contact for the array and anything can go wrong at any time.

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#18 lanforod

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Posted 25 December 2023 - 01:01 PM

Sure but then why are you raising the point about the solar panels??

#19 Mike K.

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Posted 25 December 2023 - 04:55 PM

It’s all related, isn’t it?

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