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#861 Jason-L

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 11:57 AM

Cheap if you're making $300k at Amazon. 

I don't know, though ... it looks like you're lucky to make $100K working at Amazon, and if you're senior you might get into the $150K range.  $300K would probably be the top ... 1%? of employees there?

 

It's possible that the race to raise rents has manage to exceed the ability of people to pay, so yeah, Seattle is going to see a course correction.  But certainly the drive to suddenly provide rental units was fueled by the perception that the ROI for rental property exceeded that for condos.  I'm sure there's a complicated interaction going on here that can, of course, be adequately described the simplistic macro-economic "Supply-Demand" curve.



#862 spanky123

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 11:59 AM

I don't know, though ... it looks like you're lucky to make $100K working at Amazon, and if you're senior you might get into the $150K range.  $300K would probably be the top ... 1%? of employees there?

 

It's possible that the race to raise rents has manage to exceed the ability of people to pay, so yeah, Seattle is going to see a course correction.  But certainly the drive to suddenly provide rental units was fueled by the perception that the ROI for rental property exceeded that for condos.  I'm sure there's a complicated interaction going on here that can, of course, be adequately described the simplistic macro-economic "Supply-Demand" curve.

 

Most senior employees at any tech company make the bulk of their compensation through variable measures like bonuses and stock options/grants. I doubt that there are too many people getting a base of $300K US unless they are in the very upper echelon of the executive team. 



#863 Nparker

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:53 AM

Another one-sided advisory committee courtesy of the CoV council  :whyme:

The City of Victoria is creating a Renters Advisory Committee, to help regulate the Capitals's rental sector.The city is looking for 12 people for the committee, who either rent or have rented in the past...


http://www.iheartrad...ittee-1.8662885

It seems odd to me that such a committee will apparently have no representation from landlords, even though they play a significant role in the rental market.


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#864 lanforod

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:54 AM

'rented in the past' will hopefully include some landlords.



#865 Nparker

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:56 AM

'rented in the past' will hopefully include some landlords.

Theoretically yes, but in practice I suspect they will be excluded.



#866 LeoVictoria

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:55 PM

We've heard a lot about the new rental construction, but the magnitude surprised me when I looked up the data....   a 10x increase in starts over the long term average.  Crazy.

 

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Article:  https://househuntvic...-rental-market/



#867 Midnightly

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 02:19 PM

Another one-sided advisory committee courtesy of the CoV council  :whyme:

It seems odd to me that such a committee will apparently have no representation from landlords, even though they play a significant role in the rental market.

 

 

isn't that typical of this council though? to have it all one sided without a balance of other point of views who are involved in the situation....


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#868 Nparker

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 02:23 PM

isn't that typical of this council though? to have it all one sided without a balance of other point of views who are involved in the situation....

Which is why I fear there will be no landlord representation on this committee (even if they are landlords who are or have been renters). Opposing viewpoints are not welcome with this council.



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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:32 PM

Getting out ahead of this before it starts being touted by Isitt and TV and appearing on other news outlets across the City. https://www.timescol...port-1.23600501

 

Padmapper is reporting (and the TC is headlining) that the medium price of a 1 bedroom apartment in Victoria has increased 16% year over year in Victoria. Sounds horrible and needs immediate action right? Look at the source.

 

Go to Padmapper and filter out the airbnb units that they feed in to stuff their listings (ie they just take the daily rate and multiple it by 30) and they have a total of 8 one bedroom monthly listings in Victoria. So the TC is rebroadcasting their junk research on a sample size so small that it is irrelevant.

 

I guess this is what the MSM has devolved to. Shame on them and the folks that believe anything they read there anymore.


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#870 Nparker

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:36 PM

...Padmapper ... have a total of 8 one bedroom listings in Victoria. So the TC is broadcasting their junk research on a sample size so small that it is irrelevant. I guess this is what the MSM has devolved to. Shame on them and the folks that believe anything they read there anymore.

It's been clear for some time now that the TC has a bias toward the philosophies of the Helps et al regime. Their pre-civic election coverage was so slanted as to be laughable.


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#871 spanky123

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:40 PM

^ It is getting to the point that any research or survey being promoted these days needs scrutiny. The MSM has in general turned editorial control over the special interests and advertisers. Far cheaper to have them write articles then pay reporters to do it.



#872 LeoVictoria

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:30 PM

Getting out ahead of this before it starts being touted by Isitt and TV and appearing on other news outlets across the City. https://www.timescol...port-1.23600501

Padmapper is reporting (and the TC is headlining) that the medium price of a 1 bedroom apartment in Victoria has increased 16% year over year in Victoria. Sounds horrible and needs immediate action right? Look at the source.

Go to Padmapper and filter out the airbnb units that they feed in to stuff their listings (ie they just take the daily rate and multiple it by 30) and they have a total of 8 one bedroom monthly listings in Victoria. So the TC is rebroadcasting their junk research on a sample size so small that it is irrelevant.

I guess this is what the MSM has devolved to. Shame on them and the folks that believe anything they read there anymore.

Padmapper data is pretty weak. However rents (what people are actually paying). are up about 7-10% depending on the unit type so the idea that advertised rents are up by 15% is absolutely not out of the realm of possibilities.

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#873 aastra

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:30 PM

 

...this is what the MSM has devolved to...

 

I identify 1885 as the year they sold out.



#874 grantpalin

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:28 PM

Padmapper stopped being useful after they stopped listing Craigslist entries and became overrun with AirBnB.



#875 spanky123

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 08:08 AM

Padmapper data is pretty weak. However rents (what people are actually paying). are up about 7-10% depending on the unit type so the idea that advertised rents are up by 15% is absolutely not out of the realm of possibilities.

 

If there is anecdotal evidence to show rental prices are increasing then report it as such. Using junk research as the headline to an article on housing affordability when you know that council is looking for any excuse to put more restrictions and fees in place is irresponsible. 

 

I wouldn't at all be surprised if that 15% gets quoted today as council votes on rental policies and rezoning apps.


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#876 Mike K.

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 08:10 AM

Soon government might be the only thing propping up traditional media like the TC, so it’s crucial for the news to align with government interest. Much of what we already consume via traditional media channels is based off of government press releases, and the rest off of corporate press releases. Hardly a day goes by where I don’t receive a call or an email from a press agency trying to have their press release picked up.

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 08:42 AM

Soon government might be the only thing propping up traditional media like the TC, so it’s crucial for the news to align with government interest...

This is how democracy dies.


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