The video appears to show gear down, flaps retracted. That's not normal.

Victoria International Airport (YYJ)
#8781
Posted 12 June 2025 - 08:36 AM
#8782
Posted 12 June 2025 - 09:07 AM
Yeah, the gear down footage made me think the plane was coming in for a landing, then I learned it had just taken off.
It could be that something went awry and they did not bother raising the gear. You can climb with the gear down just fine under normal conditions. When initial test flights are made they do not always raise the gear, and they'll be flying at altitude with the gear fully down.
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#8783
Posted 12 June 2025 - 12:44 PM
#8784
Posted 12 June 2025 - 12:46 PM
#8785
Posted 12 June 2025 - 07:22 PM
You bring the gear up as soon as there is no more usable runway under you. But yes if they had other issues already it might slide down in priority a bit.
You don't select gear up until you have a positive rate of climb.
If the PF selected flaps up instead of gear up this would cause the problem. Even if they recognize the problem right away after selecting flaps up and put them back down, the flaps would still retract to zero before being extended again.
#8786
Posted 12 June 2025 - 07:55 PM
Is it possible professional pilots would make such a mistake?
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#8787
Posted 13 June 2025 - 06:09 PM
The CCTV angle from the airport, in my option looked like that aircraft used up every inch of the runway, retracting the gear at that point maybe left as they must have known an issue was occurring and were fighting to regain either power or control.... but of course the black box has plenty to say yet.
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#8788
Posted 13 June 2025 - 06:23 PM
The CCTV angle from the airport, in my option looked like that aircraft used up every inch of the runway, retracting the gear at that point maybe left as they must have known an issue was occurring and were fighting to regain either power or control.... but of course the black box has plenty to say yet.
Yes interesting. But the only time you would use up so much runway is if your ground speed is not where you need it to rotate. They should have discovered that before V1 (final abort decision point).
And if you know your speed is inadequate after you have left the airport you WANT to pull up your gear to lessen drag.
#8789
Posted 13 June 2025 - 06:24 PM
Mentour Pilot says it has happened at least in training. Apparently the gear lever is shaped like a wheel to remind them is the wheels and the flaps lever is shaped like a flap for the same reason.Raising the flaps and raising the landing gear is sort of like pulling the blinker switch vs changing a drive gear in a car.
Is it possible professional pilots would make such a mistake?
Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 June 2025 - 06:26 PM.
#8790
Posted 14 June 2025 - 06:45 AM
Video of the plane (same tail number) experiencing cabin power issues on a previous flight, about two hours earlier than the time of the crash:
https://x.com/akku92...114664923148455
#8791
Posted 14 June 2025 - 05:33 PM
New video appears to show, and make audible, that the plane had automatically deployed the RAT.
The deployment of the RAT would imply a dual engine failure, which does align with what we see in the video, and with what the Captain said in his very short Mayday radio call.
It does not explain the cause of the dual engine failure however.
The survivor’s statement also said there was a sudden loud noise after take-off (the RAT is extremely loud in operation), and the lights flickered, which could be the transition to the RAT attempting to provide all cockpit and cabin power, if only for a few seconds prior to impact with the buildings.
The RAT would not be operating at 100% in this case, as it’s meant to be deployed at cruise speed and altitude, not rotation speed, and barely off the runway.
#8792
Posted 14 June 2025 - 09:47 PM
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#8793
Posted 15 June 2025 - 01:16 PM
Raising the flaps and raising the landing gear is sort of like pulling the blinker switch vs changing a drive gear in a car.
Is it possible professional pilots would make such a mistake?
It was just a couple of weeks ago that the PF inadvertently pulled the throttles back during the takeoff roll. He had no explanation for why he did it.
#8794
Posted 20 June 2025 - 11:29 AM
Mass Timber key role in Kelowna's terminal expansion for 2026.
https://www.castanet...ass-timber-roof
video included in the article to watch
Meanwhile, YYJ's lack of air bridge availability has pushed aircraft to ground load. Alaska has been pushed off gate 3/4 cause of the log jam of AC/WJ Porter and Flair completing for just 4 spots.
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#8795
Posted 20 June 2025 - 03:46 PM
Danny Pizarro's wife enlisted the help of Facebook users after her husband forgot his permanent residency card in Canada
https://www.vicnews....-london-8082440
That’s pretty good work by all.
Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 June 2025 - 03:47 PM.
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#8796
Posted 23 June 2025 - 11:24 AM
Interesting read.
Air Canada 30 Busiest Domestic Routes in 2025
https://aviationa2z....l-surprise-you/
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#8797
Posted 25 June 2025 - 10:02 AM
BC gov dishing out its annual dollars for small community airports and helipads around the province
https://news.gov.bc....25TT0068-000619
https://www.comoxval...ernment-8094410
Edited by Missed Approach, 25 June 2025 - 10:08 AM.
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#8798
Posted 25 June 2025 - 04:24 PM
Porter is headed south this winter from eastern Canada to start.
https://www.aerorout...50625-pdnw25int
Not sure if they have hotel and car packages set up with a in house or 3rd party holiday travel program.
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#8799
Posted 26 June 2025 - 09:02 AM
YYJ Total Passengers
May 2024 vs May 2025
2024 163,044
2025 172,014 CHANGE (+) 5.5%
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