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[Victoria Watcher]

The video appears to show gear down, flaps retracted.  That's not normal.

[Mike K.]

Yeah, the gear down footage made me think the plane was coming in for a landing, then I learned it had just taken off.

 

It could be that something went awry and they did not bother raising the gear. You can climb with the gear down just fine under normal conditions. When initial test flights are made they do not always raise the gear, and they'll be flying at altitude with the gear fully down.

[Victoria Watcher]

You bring the gear up as soon as there is no more usable runway under you. But yes if they had other issues already it might slide down in priority a bit.

[Victoria Watcher]

One single passenger not only survives but walks out.

[LJ]

You bring the gear up as soon as there is no more usable runway under you. But yes if they had other issues already it might slide down in priority a bit.

You don't select gear up until you have a positive rate of climb.

 

If the PF selected flaps up instead of gear up this would cause the problem. Even if they recognize the problem right away after selecting flaps up and put them back down, the flaps would still retract to zero before being extended again.

[Mike K.]

Raising the flaps and raising the landing gear is sort of like pulling the blinker switch vs changing a drive gear in a car.

Is it possible professional pilots would make such a mistake?

[Missed Approach]

The CCTV angle from the airport, in my option looked like that aircraft used up every inch of the runway, retracting the gear at that point maybe left as they must have known an issue was occurring and were fighting to regain either power or control.... but of course the black box has plenty to say yet.

[Victoria Watcher]

The CCTV angle from the airport, in my option looked like that aircraft used up every inch of the runway, retracting the gear at that point maybe left as they must have known an issue was occurring and were fighting to regain either power or control.... but of course the black box has plenty to say yet.

Yes interesting. But the only time you would use up so much runway is if your ground speed is not where you need it to rotate. They should have discovered that before V1 (final abort decision point).

And if you know your speed is inadequate after you have left the airport you WANT to pull up your gear to lessen drag.

[Victoria Watcher]

Raising the flaps and raising the landing gear is sort of like pulling the blinker switch vs changing a drive gear in a car.

Is it possible professional pilots would make such a mistake?

Mentour Pilot says it has happened at least in training. Apparently the gear lever is shaped like a wheel to remind them is the wheels and the flaps lever is shaped like a flap for the same reason.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 June 2025 - 06:26 PM.

[Blair M.]

Video of the plane (same tail number) experiencing cabin power issues on a previous flight, about two hours earlier than the time of the crash:

https://x.com/akku92...114664923148455

[Blair M.]

New video appears to show, and make audible, that the plane had automatically deployed the RAT. 
The deployment of the RAT would imply a dual engine failure, which does align with what we see in the video, and with what the Captain said in his very short Mayday radio call. 
 

It does not explain the cause of the dual engine failure however.

 

The survivor’s statement also said there was a sudden loud noise after take-off (the  RAT is extremely loud in operation), and the lights flickered, which could be the transition to the RAT attempting to provide all cockpit and cabin power, if only for a few seconds prior to impact with the buildings. 
 

The RAT would not be operating at 100% in this case, as it’s meant to be deployed at cruise speed and altitude, not rotation speed, and barely off the runway. 

[Mike K.]

I had to look up what a RAT is, and it’s a ram air turbine, used as an emergency or alternative hydraulic and electrical source.

[LJ]

Raising the flaps and raising the landing gear is sort of like pulling the blinker switch vs changing a drive gear in a car.

Is it possible professional pilots would make such a mistake?

It was just a couple of weeks ago that the PF inadvertently pulled the throttles back during the takeoff roll. He had no explanation for why he did it.

[Missed Approach]

Mass Timber key role in Kelowna's terminal expansion for 2026.

 

https://www.castanet...ass-timber-roof

 

video included in the article to watch

 

Meanwhile, YYJ's lack of air bridge availability has pushed aircraft to ground load. Alaska has been pushed off gate 3/4 cause of the log jam of AC/WJ Porter and Flair completing for just 4 spots.  

[Victoria Watcher]

Oak Bay Facebook users come to the rescue of man stranded in London

Danny Pizarro's wife enlisted the help of Facebook users after her husband forgot his permanent residency card in Canada



https://www.vicnews....-london-8082440








That’s pretty good work by all.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 June 2025 - 03:47 PM.

[Missed Approach]

Interesting read.

 

Air Canada 30 Busiest Domestic Routes in 2025

 

https://aviationa2z....l-surprise-you/

[Missed Approach]

BC gov dishing out its annual dollars for small community airports and helipads around the province 

 

https://news.gov.bc....25TT0068-000619

 

https://www.comoxval...ernment-8094410

Edited by Missed Approach, 25 June 2025 - 10:08 AM.

[Missed Approach]

Porter is headed south this winter from eastern Canada to start.

 

https://www.aerorout...50625-pdnw25int

 

Not sure if they have hotel and car packages set up with a in house or 3rd party holiday travel program.

[Missed Approach]

YYJ Total Passengers

 

May 2024 vs May 2025

 

2024  163,044

 

2025  172,014   CHANGE   (+) 5.5%

 

[vortoozo]

This will be a fun race to watch tonight.

3 different airlines, 3 different aircraft manufacturers, all scheduled within 25 minutes on the same route (Victoria to Toronto).