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#101 Rob Randall

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 08:35 AM

Three groups of up to ten people I would guess. I spotted Geoff Young and Gene Miller.

 

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4:30 p.m. departure from the corner of Store and Discovery Streets (near Ingredients Market). Tour will be 90 minutes. RSVP to engage@victoria.cato confirm attendance.

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The new plan for the Burnside Gorge area is the largest local area plan to be undertaken by the City.  Informed by community input, local area plans help guide Council decisions for new development and capital investment in neighboughhoods across the city. In April, City Council added $200,000 to expedite new local area plans for Victoria over the next four years.

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#102 vicernie

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 02:46 PM

don't know where to put this link. http://calgaryherald...nt-in-fox-creek would less luxurious prefab units get some inexpensive housing built?

#103 Greg

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 02:54 PM

I didn't see a single mention, nowhere.

Did anyone else? Does the City think we all just spend our days surfing Facebook?

I saw it. Do you need someone to fax you a copy?



#104 johnk

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 11:51 PM

mistake

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#105 Mike K.

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 02:24 PM

I saw it. Do you need someone to fax you a copy?

 

Yes, that'd be nice. The City sends out media announcements, doesn't it? We've been around for nine years, after all.


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#106 Rob Randall

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:46 PM

Reviving this thread because Mayor Helps has been on record several times recently stating that the population of Downtown will increase by up to 10,000 in the next 15 to 20 years. 

 

It appears to me the only way that is possible is with an aggressive master planning of available land in Rock Bay, even if underzoned areas like Quadra Street are designated high density.

 

What we must do now is re-examine concepts for Rock Bay and review past comments: do they hold up or do they need revision?

 

  • What about parking? Time for a new parkade?
  • What about industry? True mixed use or limited to residential/commercial?
  • Since Mike said it will take far longer to get to 10,000 do we need incentives for developers?
  • Safe to say most available sites here are contaminated. Who pays for remediation?
  • Should the area be master-planned like Selkirk? Or let it develop ad hoc, lot by lot?

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#107 Nparker

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:53 PM

...Should the area be master-planned like Selkirk?...

As long as it is not "master-planned" like the the Songhees ca. 1990  :blink:


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#108 Mike K.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:12 PM

Rock Bay is a mish mash of old money holdings. It’s highly unlikely anything other than piecemeal development will occur there over the next decade.

Look at how hard Le Fevre has had it with Ironworks. That should have been well underway by now but it’s 2018 and the project is still not approved.

My sense is we’re going to see action along the 700-blocks, likely the White Spot lot and of course Large has the Hive project on Princess. But what else? Le Fevre still has an option for the hydro building but no definite plans.

We’re also going to see some movement north of Bay (TC building and the Scott Building), but at what point do we say downtown is no longer downtown? Is helps adding Bayview and Dockside into “downtown?” Is Abstract’s Fort Street property in Rockland “downtown?” Is 200 Cook “downtown?” The Row on Johnson?

It is impossible to build housing for 10,000 people within 15 years, starting this moment, with the pace and density that we're building at today and we’re to expect the pace to continue over next decade, and then some?

And just to reinforce how markets can change, Dockside was to have been completed by 2015, Bayview was to have been a multi-tower precinct with a large commercial component by now, and Hudson Place One is still only now nearing final approvals.

This year about 800-units will enter the market in the downtown area and a generous proximity: 134 at V1488, 207 at Yello, 134 at Encore in Vic West, 42 at Horizon in Vic West, Cityzen Residences with 34, and maybe Jukebox will wrap up by year’s end with another 215, which will actually make 2018 an anomaly in terms of new inventory. If Jukebox doesn’t make it we’re on track for about 600-units. And even that is a LOT.
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#109 Mike K.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:18 PM

In 2017 we saw:
- 106 Hudson Walk 2
- 84 Escher
- 51 Dockside Green (Vic West)
- 41 Horizon (Vic West)
- 53 595 Pandora

What else was there?

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#110 Rob Randall

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:20 PM

Where did this 10,000 number come from, anyway? Was it explicitly mentioned in the new Official Community Plan?

 

This year about 800-units will enter the market in the downtown area and a generous proximity: 134 at V1488, 207 at Yello, 134 at Encore in Vic West, 42 at Horizon in Vic West, Cityzen Residences with 34, and maybe Jukebox will wrap up by year’s end with another 215, which will actually make 2018 an anomaly in terms of new inventory. If Jukebox doesn’t make it we’re on track for about 600-units. 

 

 

That will release a big chunk of units by the end of this year but I assume many are already purchased. I don't know what projects are following. Bayside/new Dockside and Truth Centre I guess. For purposes of discussion those projects, while officially outside "Downtown" can be considered part of Downtown as they are an easy walk to the city centre. On the north side Downtown basically ends at Capital Iron/Hudson.
 


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#111 Mike K.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:22 PM

Could it be that there’s a social housing project in the works that could be announced for the Hydro lands? But even then, could that be 2,000-units of housing? That’s about 15 Yates on Yates’, or over 20 Eschers.

Either way, to house 10,000 people would require ~75 100-unit buildings

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#112 Nparker

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:26 PM

...It is impossible to build housing for 10,000 people within 15 years, starting this moment, with the pace and density that we're building at today...

Not to mention the glacial pace of approvals from city hall.



#113 Rob Randall

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:26 PM

Safe to say the Hydro lands will be mixed use with a significant cultural component, likely First Nations. There was talk on the last page of using it as a games/expo site. Athlete's village converted to housing. Doesn't have to be Olympic-sized: a smaller event like the Youth Games.



#114 Nparker

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:29 PM

...There was talk on the last page of using it as a games/expo site. Athlete's village converted to housing...

What "games" is Victoria scheduled to host that would require athletes' housing?



#115 Rob Randall

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:30 PM

Not to mention the glacial pace of approvals from city hall.

 

But sometimes blowback happens when attempts are made to streamline/simplify the approval process:

 

https://www.vicnews....-raises-alarms/

 

We have to find a balance between making approvals faster and having developers writing their own rules.



#116 Nparker

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:32 PM

...We have to find a balance between making approvals faster and having developers writing their own rules.

Even as community associations balk at OCPs?



#117 Mike K.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:32 PM

Do we have much of an appetite for such games, though? We had a slam dunk for Commonwealth if we had wanted it and the community was overwhelmingly against the idea. At least as far as our collective echo chambers are concerned.

So going back to the numbers for a moment, in the 1,200 remaining units at Dockside we can expect to see 1,600-1,700 inhabitants, I’d wager. But will Bosa build that out within 10 years? It’s possible.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:49 PM

Oh, let’s add Legato to the 2018 tally. That pushes us closer to 900-units with Jukebox completing. This is a HUGE year for unit completions.

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#119 Rob Randall

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:56 PM

Do we have much of an appetite for such games, though? We had a slam dunk for Commonwealth if we had wanted it and the community was overwhelmingly against the idea. At least as far as our collective echo chambers are concerned.

 

I was thinking of something that was well-received like a FIFA U-20-sized event or some such. Smaller than a Commonwealth Games. A lower-key event that would still trigger Provincial/Federal funding to kick-start a mixed use development. I'm no expert on any of this but if we're talking about drastic master plans, this has to be up for discussion.


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#120 Rob Randall

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:59 PM

Oh, let’s add Legato to the 2018 tally. That pushes us closer to 900-units with Jukebox completing. This is a HUGE year for unit completions.

 

So we need a rate of at least 500 units a year to make that goal, right?



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