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[Nparker]

...Hope they lose next election...

Unless a snap election is called again when the population is vulnerable and Horgan sees an opportunity he can exploit.

[LJ]

As for why B.C.’s new museum would need to approach $1 billion in costs, a statement by the premier noted it would have “high efficiency … HVAC systems” and would “incorporate mass timber construction.” In addition to 1,950 construction jobs expected to be created by the project, the statement also promised “more than 1,050 associated jobs.”

 

And just where are we supposed to get those workers from, every construction site in the province is crying for more workers.

 

Ooh, maybe the natives are going to build it.

[Daveyboy]

And just where are we supposed to get those workers from, every construction site in the province is crying for more workers.

 

Ooh, maybe the natives are going to build it.

With the special wages needed to attract skilled workers, the Billion Plus will quickly be used up.....my guess is it is just the preliminary accounting dollars to get the old one torn down and the new foundation possibly started.  They will be dealing with a challenging geological area in which to meet new code requirements etc.

[max.bravo]

Didn’t Horgan pass some kind of legislation requiring construction workers on provincial projects to be unionized? I recall that from early days of current NDP government. That’s gotta increase building costs.

[Victoria Watcher]

No cabinet minister who gets asked about the decision to tear down the Royal B.C. Museum and build a new one has a straight answer. So the questions keep piling up about the strange, opaque back story behind the stunning decision.

 

After the big reveal Friday, during which zero documentation was released, Premier John Horgan and Tourism Minister Melanie Mark have come up well short in explaining themselves. So as the fallout spread, attention turned to Finance Minister Selina Robinson. Maybe she could explain the financial decisions that turned a modernization plan into a megaproject.

 

She chairs the Treasury Board committee of cabinet that approved the $789 million project. She happens to be defending her ministry’s spending estimates this week. So she was subjected to a lengthy grilling by B.C. Liberal MLA Peter Milobar. But watching her initial attempts to explain the government’s handling of this top-secret decision verged on excruciating. Anyone hoping to be comforted by a coherent account of a logical well-grounded process is curled up in the fetal position now.

 

There were long pauses Wednesday to consult with senior staff who tried to help her extricate herself from contradictions that developed the previous day. She repeatedly fobbed off responsibility for answering questions to the tourism minister. (“I could point him down the hall to where she resides. He’s welcome to ask her.”)

 

 

 

https://www.timescol...s-arent-5385567

 

 

And the justification for the proposed timeline that calls for the RBCM to shut down Sept 6, years before anything happens to the building, is incomprehensible.

 

Asked point-blank about it, Robinson replied: “Those are questions that are most appropriate for the minister responsible.”

 

As for budgeting, Robinson said that costs won’t show up until the public accounts reports are released this summer. But moments later she cited a mention in the current budget of a $56 million entry in an obscure capital spending report.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 19 May 2022 - 05:21 AM.

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[Mike K.]

Imagine how the CoV must feel, after the province said no funding was coming for a new Crystal Pool.

Then two years later this gets announced.

[spanky123]

^ Provincial funding was never really the issue for CP. The initial replacement morphed into a legacy project that the City was told would fail at referendum. 

 

Once the optics fouled and furthering the project would require work and risk of rejection, it was dropped like a hot potato.

Edited by spanky123, 19 May 2022 - 06:59 AM.

[FawltyVic]

Imagine how the CoV must feel, after the province said no funding was coming for a new Crystal Pool.

Then two years later this gets announced.

 

The Crystal Pool doesn't have racist colonial history on display or in it's construction.

 

The new museum is just one expensive virtue signal for the NDP.

 

The annoyance to me is people here in COV didn't want the museum torn down. Did the NDP think about the years without an educational venue and tourist attraction?

 

Being born here I've seen the attractions dwindle (Fable Cottage, Classic Car Museum, Royal London Wax Museum, etc). I wonder what's left for people to see apart from the stabbings, the panhandlers and the guy yelling his head off in the daytime to somebody imaginary.

[Victoria Watcher]

^ Provincial funding was never really the issue for CP. The initial replacement morphed into a legacy project that the City was told would fail at referendum.

Once the optics fouled and furthering the project would require work and risk of rejection, it was dropped like a hot potato.

They bumbled the Crystal Pool along just like they did the sewage plan. Until the adults just took it away from the CRD politicians.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 19 May 2022 - 08:55 AM.

[Nparker]

...The new museum is just one expensive virtue signal for the NDP....

This.

[On the Level]

Is there a solution for the museum?  Do First Nations find all/any artifacts from Canada offensive?  

[Nparker]

Is there a solution for the museum?...

You mean aside from the billion dollar solution?

[Victoria Watcher]

Is there a solution for the museum?  Do First Nations find all/any artifacts from Canada offensive?  

 

What have you found at the First Nations museums on their reserves?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 19 May 2022 - 11:52 AM.

[On the Level]

What have you found at the First Nations museums on their reserves?

 

I can see FN wanting to house their own history on a reserve or elsewhere.  

 

For other exhibits, if showing a replica of an old town is offensive, what can be shown?

[Spy Black]

There are lots of fantastic First Nations museums in B.C. already:

https://www.indigeno...culture/museums

 

... but those museums have nothing whatsoever to do with the history of mining, logging, fishing, road and dam building, etc in B.C. ... which were covered extensively and accurately by the former RBCM.

[dasmo]

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Edited by dasmo, 19 May 2022 - 12:50 PM.

[Mike K.]

Perhaps what’s most egregious about this sudden desire to spend a billion dollars on a museum is that other jurisdictions are investing into production and manufacturing, and innovation. We need jobs and economic growth, not these pet projects that will only draw taxpayer dollars.

Look at this Island. Industry has collapsed. Forestry has collapsed. Mining has collapsed. Fishing has collapsed. Our tech industry is nearly void of significance, apart from the self-congratulating by the same faces and the Chamber. We barely manufacture anything on an island 1/3 the size of the UK. And we think this museum is going to serve the interests of our future generations?

Our highways are grossly under-developed and without redundancies. Our transit system is broken, too often operating at well below its scheduled services. We have massive drug problems and the cost of living is rising so fast in this province that we risk flushing out even more of the working age individuals who feel there is no chance they’ll ever get ahead financially, as gas approaches $2.50 per litre with a government shrugging its shoulders, a doctor shortage that has forced 20% of the population to rely on a broken clinic system or emergency rooms, and our municipalities think it’s ok to raise taxes by 10%, maybe 15%.

Then along comes a billion dollar museum nobody asked for…

[Victoria Watcher]

I agree with the last sentence.

[Tom Braybrook]

Perhaps what’s most egregious about this sudden desire to spend a billion dollars on a museum is that other jurisdictions are investing into production and manufacturing, and innovation. We need jobs and economic growth, not these pet projects that will only draw taxpayer dollars.

Look at this Island. Industry has collapsed. Forestry has collapsed. Mining has collapsed. Fishing has collapsed. Our tech industry is nearly void of significance, apart from the self-congratulating by the same faces and the Chamber. We barely manufacture anything on an island 1/3 the size of the UK. And we think this museum is going to serve the interests of our future generations?

Our highways are grossly under-developed and without redundancies. Our transit system is broken, too often operating at well below its scheduled services. We have massive drug problems and the cost of living is rising so fast in this province that we risk flushing out even more of the working age individuals who feel there is no chance they’ll ever get ahead financially, as gas approaches $2.50 per litre with a government shrugging its shoulders, a doctor shortage that has forced 20% of the population to rely on a broken clinic system or emergency rooms, and our municipalities think it’s ok to raise taxes by 10%, maybe 15%.

Then along comes a billion dollar museum nobody asked for…

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