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[Nparker]

...I would also like to know why, if the situation was so dire in 2018, we are just hearing about it five years later.  

Sounds like the Crystal Pool argument just on a much grander scale.

[Mike K.]

The Johnson Street Bridge was also in need of immediate replacement when that project was proposed.

[Nparker]

The Johnson Street Bridge was also in need of immediate replacement when that project was proposed.

And only cost 100% more than originally projected.

[Nparker]

The Louvre and the British Museum are both well over 200 years old, yet somehow don't require demolition and complete replacement.

[spanky123]

The Johnson Street Bridge was also in need of immediate replacement when that project was proposed.

 

And remember Crystal Pool. Mayor Helps told us 5 years ago that unless we agreed to fund her vanity project the pool would have to be shut down pronto.

[Victoria Watcher]

Yet the pool still operates.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 May 2022 - 04:10 PM.

[aastra]

 

We all complain about crumbling infrastructure - this is how it gets fixed.

 

No one has ever complained about a crumbling museum. Mainly because a crumbling museum does not exist. Plenty of actual issues do exist, however.

[spanky123]

No one has ever complained about a crumbling museum. Mainly because a crumbling museum does not exist. Plenty of actual issues do exist, however.

 

1. Flooding. That is why a $200M archive was approved in Colwood.

2. Asbestos. Probably 60% of buildings in Victoria have asbestos. No issues unless it is disturbed.

3. Earthquake. Yep but then again the new building will be at risk as well. Like the JSB, whatever standards they agree to initially will be watered down to reduce costs.

4. Can't get attractions because the elevator is too small. They can't get attractions because the market is too small.

5. Can't get totem pole out. They can borrow my chainsaw free of charge.

Edited by spanky123, 25 May 2022 - 04:22 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Sounds fishy.

[Victoria Watcher]

Les Leyne: How NDP team dug itself into deep hole with $789 million museum project


https://www.timescol...project-5407885

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 26 May 2022 - 03:19 AM.

[aastra]

Add to spanky's list the desperate need to replace rather unique & stately modern architecture with generic crap covered in acres of plain panels... you know, to save the environment.

[Nparker]

...the desperate need to replace rather unique & stately modern architecture with generic crap...

Agree. The current museum is a wonderful example of late MCM-style that will be lost forever.  

The NDP will literally be demolitioning a piece of BC architectural history in the alleged guise of preserving the past.   How Orwellian is that?

[dasmo]

Agree. The current museum is a wonderful example of late MCM-style that will be lost forever.  

The NDP will literally be demolitioning a piece of BC architectural history in the alleged guise of preserving the past.   How Orwellian is that?

[aastra]

By my count this museum-replacement controversy would be exhibit #185,001 for how the whole "Victoria never changes" narrative is a transparent falsehood. For crying out loud, this major museum complex is barely 50 years old. It's already had major renovations and additions during its short existence. And now it's ready for the trash bin. Victorians replace major buildings more hastily than they chop down fine old trees. That's some serious haste.

 

 

How Orwellian is that?

 

The most enlightened way to document and preserve heritage and history is by erasing it outright. It's responsible environmental stewardship to tear down major buildings as soon as the paint has dried. 24/7 surveillance is freedom. War is peace. If you don't agree with the myriad inverted premises then you must be a terrorist.

 

The offenses are deliberate. Just about every message from every corner of society is Orwellian now. The entire world has gone off the deep end. Suffice it to say, the governments and their media and corporate partners are trolling us. All of the nonsense is meant to challenge us, to see if we care one bit about things that are true and right. Most people are very eager to demonstrate that they do not care, because they are intellectually, emotionally, and spiritually dead. Politics has addled their minds and their souls. A few years ago I got in the habit of warning people it was going to get much more ridiculous. But even now in the year 2022, after everything that has happened, I'm still warning people: it's going to get MUCH more ridiculous.

 

And yet every day someone will say to me, "Can you believe they're doing this?", or "Can you believe they're saying that?", or "Can you believe this is happening?"

 

As if the oppressive program of successively more outrageous absurdities hadn't already been running for many, many years.

[Nparker]

...As if the oppressive program of successively more outrageous absurdities hadn't already been running for many, many years.

The pace at which the absurdities are accelerating is getting worse, but most sheeple are too fascinated with their shiny toys to notice.

Edited by Nparker, 26 May 2022 - 03:30 PM.

[Mike K.]

By my count this museum-replacement controversy would be exhibit #185,001 for how the whole "Victoria never changes" narrative is a transparent falsehood. For crying out loud, this major museum complex is barely 50 years old. It's already had major renovations and additions during its short existence. And now it's ready for the trash bin. Victorians replace major buildings more hastily than they chop down fine old trees. That's some serious haste.


The most enlightened way to document and preserve heritage and history is by erasing it outright. It's responsible environmental stewardship to tear down major buildings as soon as the paint has dried. 24/7 surveillance is freedom. War is peace. If you don't agree with the myriad inverted premises then you must be a terrorist.

The offenses are deliberate. Just about every message from every corner of society is Orwellian now. The entire world has gone off the deep end. Suffice it to say, the governments and their media and corporate partners are trolling us. All of the nonsense is meant to challenge us, to see if we care one bit about things that are true and right. Most people are very eager to demonstrate that they do not care, because they are intellectually, emotionally, and spiritually dead. Politics has addled their minds and their souls. A few years ago I got in the habit of warning people it was going to get much more ridiculous. But even now in the year 2022, after everything that has happened, I'm still warning people: it's going to get MUCH more ridiculous.

And yet every day someone will say to me, "Can you believe they're doing this?", or "Can you believe they're saying that?", or "Can you believe this is happening?"

As if the oppressive program of successively more outrageous absurdities hadn't already been running for many, many years.

Did politics always permeate the everyday operation of society, to the degree it does today?

Like, in the 80s, was everything evaluated based on an equation that equaled left or right?

[Daveyboy]

Anyone who rationally looks at the decision to raze and replace the entire museum has come to the same conclusion.  It has very little to do with the physical structure but is entirely being proposed to deal in a back-handed way with criticism of the dismantling of the third floor exhibits.  For the current government to think that people living in Greater Victoria will actually believe their latest justification for the museum's destruction is ridiculous and comical.

[Victoria Watcher]

The Royal B.C. Museum’s iconic woolly mammoth could end up at Vancouver International Airport, while Ogden Point could take some whale models while the museum transitions to a new building.

Despite calls for the replacement project to be cancelled, the museum is plowing ahead with packing of artifacts, finding temporary homes for some of its star attractions and launching ambitious travelling exhibits and province-wide consultations on what British Columbians want in a new facility.

Parts of the third floor of the museum, once home to Old Town and the First People’s Gallery and closed since Jan. 1, are now given over to tables where museum staff are cleaning, documenting and boxing artifacts for storage.


https://www.timescol...uilding-5418596

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 May 2022 - 05:19 AM.

[Nparker]

The NDP need to be given their walking papers over this decision.

[Victoria Watcher]

Can’t we keep some of the best stuff local for a few years? The mammoth could go into the arena. Maybe some other things too.