147 replies to this topic

[Rob Randall]

Thank you for posting that detailed diagram.

 

[Cassidy]

they are adding more table games, poker tables, off track betting room and a "high rollers" section which may have craps.

Do you have a source link for this CAD drawing, and/or the new games being offered?

Thanks.

[tjv]

Poker and Craps are musts for serious gamblers.

I've known some serious gamblers in my time, and once a month they were on a plane to Vegas.  Victoria will never entertain to serious gamblers

 

On another note, if anyone knows where I can find a good used poker table, not the cheap folding ones, please let me know

Edited by tjv, 01 January 2018 - 03:59 PM.

[weisguy86]

Do you have a source link for this CAD drawing, and/or the new games being offered?

Thanks.

it was in a package provided to view royal council in december

[Cassidy]

Like any good businessman, a serious gambler will patronize the establishment giving him the best odds for success - no matter where it is in the world.

But I would agree about Victoria simply because serious gamblers hate slots, and View Royal is one big slot parlour.

[Cassidy]

it was in a package provided to view royal council in december

Thanks for that.

It will be interesting to see how closely the finished product is to the “drawings”, at least beyond where the walls are located

[spanky123]

Like any good businessman, a serious gambler will patronize the establishment giving him the best odds for success - no matter where it is in the world.

But I would agree about Victoria simply because serious gamblers hate slots, and View Royal is one big slot parlour.

 

BC casinos are monopolies designed solely to maximize revenue for the Province. The games are chosen and designed for that purpose. The reason that no serious gambler stays here is that the odds are set so low that they would make the worst strip casino look like a relative bargain by comparison. BC casinos have 3 types of patrons; retirees who are bored, Asians who have a cultural affliction, and criminals who want to launder money. Neither group cares about the odds and the Government only cares about the money.  

[Rob Randall]

BC casinos have 3 types of patrons; retirees who are bored, Asians who have a cultural affliction, and criminals who want to launder money.

 

B-b-but, that contradicts the people shown in their commercials!

[VicHockeyFan]

B-b-but, that contradicts the people shown in their commercials!

 

Ya, like cash advance store commercials.  Rarely matches their actual clientele.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 01 January 2018 - 05:51 PM.

[Cassidy]

BC casinos are monopolies designed solely to maximize revenue for the Province. The games are chosen and designed for that purpose. The reason that no serious gambler stays here is that the odds are set so low that they would make the worst strip casino look like a relative bargain by comparison. BC casinos have 3 types of patrons; retirees who are bored, Asians who have a cultural affliction, and criminals who want to launder money. Neither group cares about the odds and the Government only cares about the money.  

 

I wouldn't disagree with you, although my experience has the players a bit more diverse than on your list.

I would also posit that most experienced Asian gamblers indeed know the exact odds of whatever game they're playing, as should anybody who isn't just planning on losing from the get-go.

 

Although some of the "branded" table games have abysmal odds, those identical games are available to play in Las Vegas, indeed that's where most of the game designing companies are located, and where most of these games show up for the first time. The odds are set by the games designers, there are no changes made for B.C. (or anyplace else for that matter).

 

But it's worth noting that poker is poker, and the rake is the rake no matter where you play.

A B.C. casino isn't any more expensive to play Hold'em in than a Nevada casino.

 

Too, if you're playing Craps, the odds aren't adjusted for B.C., they're simply the odds for the game of Craps.

In B.C. if you bet properly, you can whittle the odds as low as you can in Las Vegas (1.4%, and even lower if you want to be a bit of a dick and bet against the player), and if you know how to take odds on a bet, then (like in Las Vegas) they're "free", in that they pay true odds, no house edge, and the best bet in any house and on any table game.

 

B.C. isn't a gambling mecca by any means, but table games are table games, and the odds of the game don't change when you come to B.C. (although the house pay-out might change ... so pay attention!).

Having said that though, B.C. casinos have just as many terrible bets on all games as Las Vegas does, and considering that's where the majority of inexperienced gamblers tend to put their chips down, that's also where LottoBC makes the majority of their money from. 

As well, and as alluded to in the above post, some of the sucker bets can indeed have their pay-outs "regionally" adjusted such that you really need to pay attention if you're going to make those kinds of (silly) bets. Understand the difference between "true odds", and "pay out odds".

 

A bad bet is a bad bet no matter where in the world you may choose to make it. B.C. doesn't have any more bad bets than any other gambling jurisdiction in the world ... and indeed because all of our gambling is effectively run by the Provincial Government, the oversight and consistent player-centric point of view is actually considered to be world class in every regard.

Edited by Cassidy, 01 January 2018 - 06:20 PM.

[Rob Randall]

Ya, like cash advance store commercials.  Rarely matches their actual clientele.

 

Yeah, the people I see in local casinos do NOT look like they're having fun. I've seen more laughing and hijinx at the passport office and I am not kidding at all.

[todd]

Yeah, the people I see in local casinos do NOT look like they're having fun. I've seen more laughing and hijinx at the passport office and I am not kidding at all.

 

https://www.google.c...WjwOfyJLACQ_5:0

[spanky123]

 

A bad bet is a bad bet no matter where in the world you may choose to make it. B.C. doesn't have any more bad bets than any other gambling jurisdiction in the world ... and indeed because all of our gambling is effectively run by the Provincial Government, the oversight and consistent player-centric point of view is actually considered to be world class in every regard.

 

What I am getting at is that BC casinos either don't offer the games that have the better odds, or they make subtle changes to the rules (ie splitting on BJ) that slightly lower the odds to make them worse than what you would normally see elsewhere. Slots are the largest draw in BC casinos and the machines are set to pay out between 89% and 90% whereas even strip casinos are generally in the 96% range

[VicHockeyFan]

Well of course when you have no competition the odds are going to be as bad as they can get away with.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 02 January 2018 - 08:41 AM.

[spanky123]

Well of course when you have no competition the odds are going to be as bad as they can get away with.

 

And was my original point. 

[AllseeingEye]

Couple of buddies took me out there tonight for a belated b-day dinner at the casino - prime rib and lobster tail special 9.99 all you can eat.

 

In a nutshell the food was very good particularly considering the price but the experience was really only worth it IMO if you have a "Skip the Lineup" ticket like we had. You go right to the front and are seated in about 2 minutes. Otherwise you are looking at a 2-3 hour lineup to get into the buffet, unless you are a VIP which, I was told, was someone who spent an minimum half mill a year in that place. Crazy. It was about 90% Asian clientele. One little older Chinese guy, about one third my size, had enough food on his plate to sink a battleship...unreal. I can certainly eat but this old boy outdid me by a mile and then some.

 

First time I'd ever been in the casino and really all it did was reinforce for me my utter lack of interest in gambling. You could conduct quite the social experiment simply observing people in many cases just mindlessly plunking their money into those machines play after play after play. I've no doubt many a regular paycheck - or OAP check - is frittered away in that joint. 

Edited by AllseeingEye, 31 August 2019 - 06:36 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Though restaurants, malls and fitness centres remain open amid the second wave of the pandemic, ‘Lady Luck’ has not been on Elements Casino’s side on the West Shore.

 

View Royal Mayor David Screech estimates the township will lose out on $2 million in revenue by the time the casino hits a full year of being closed since mid-March 2020.

 

“We have no idea when the casino might reopen,” said Screech. “But even when that happens, it might take time to get the customers back to the levels where it was pre-pandemic. The PHO [Dr. Bonnie Henry] doesn’t have the confidence to reopen and that’s alright.”

 

https://www.vicnews....enues-by-march/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 February 2021 - 05:30 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Elements Casino reopening in the cards for July 1 in View Royal

View Royal mayor anticipating revenues from casino operations

https://www.vicnews....-in-view-royal/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 02 June 2021 - 05:54 AM.

[spanky123]

Elements Casino reopening in the cards for July 1 in View Royal
 

 

Table games will be adjusted to those where cards can be dealt face-up, with players not allowed to touch cards, except for Squeeze Baccarat, a one-time use card game.

 

 

Should make poker and blackjack a little more interesting.

[m3m]

Shouldn't the focus be on the chips? not the cards?  Those get passed around way more than the cards.  In blackjack you barely touch the cards,