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#3441 Matt R.

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Posted 23 March 2023 - 09:41 PM

At least they finally got some flying cars.
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#3442 Mike K.

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 06:08 AM

There appears to be two versions. Do we know which one is the current one?

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#3443 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 06:50 AM

There appears to be two versions. Do we know which one is the current one?


The most current one is the one I submitted as it is taken from the CALUC package on Dev Tracker…
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#3444 Mike K.

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 07:03 AM

Very good, thank you.


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#3445 aastra

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 12:08 PM

 

And this is the argument for how it maintains the James Bay character.

 

That's one of the ongoing absurdities re: "sensitive" design in Victoria. People claim to care so much about architectural heritage and the historic built form of the neighbourhoods, and yet many modern developments are allowed (encouraged?) to present a blank/dead face toward the street.

There's a simple way to test whether a style is generally getting things right or generally not getting things right: if there were additional examples of the same style in the same neighbourhood, would the neighbourhood still have its appeal?

 

But aastra! We threw some art on the front of the building! That's an amenity! Politicians say development should be about "amenities" and not about good development.


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#3446 Citified.ca

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 12:18 PM

Good work, Kapten! I think this might be the first rental complex locally that will be built to the maximum Step Code, and to a Passive House standard. I'm not familiar with any others that have doubled up on those two in that way.

 

Affordable and enviro-forward rental complex with three-storey First Nations art piece pitched for James Bay


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Posted 24 March 2023 - 12:42 PM

...this might be the first rental complex locally that will be built to the maximum Step Code, and to a Passive House standard...

Does that mean it has to be so fugly and completely out of character with its neighbourhood?


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#3448 Mike K.

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 12:43 PM

Unfortunately that can be the case, where these efficiencies lead to somewhat drab design.

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#3449 Nparker

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 12:46 PM

Unfortunately that can be the case, where these efficiencies lead to somewhat drab design.

So we've won the battle, but lost the war.



#3450 Mike K.

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 12:52 PM

Essentially, yes.

The future is not friendly in terms of design.

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#3451 aastra

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 01:06 PM

 

Unfortunately that can be the case, where these efficiencies lead to somewhat drab design.

 

Every day there's a new justification for the same negative trends. A million and one reasons why styles must continue to get plainer, why materials must continue to get drabber, why windows must continue to get smaller, why frontages must continue to get bleaker, etc. Fuel shortage, climate change, housing crisis, deadly plague, banking collapse, world war three, alien invasion, etc.


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#3452 Mike K.

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 01:18 PM

You must have missed the Modern Art highway exit, back in 1960.

Look at the new art affixed to the side of the arena. If you thought the crashed satellite was cringe, try to understand whatever the heck is adorned above it. Then tell me if we’re growing as a society, or if we’re so lazy now, that we’d rather be preoccupied with finding ways to defend kitsch as class, then take the effort to do something meaningful.
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#3453 Mike K.

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 01:21 PM

The new architectural styles coming out are not great. They look dated by the time they’re finished. Some of the stuff is even designed to evoke dominance over the street, with no respite in the form of a softer facade or a familiar interaction with the street. It’s like the urban realm conceived by the moderne urnaniste wants you to fear it and bow to it, not admire it.
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Posted 24 March 2023 - 01:28 PM

A 6-storey, 24-unit below-market
rental building is proposed by Oeza Developments for 50 Government Street in James Bay.

The developer has created a website for the project: https://www.oezadevelopments.ca/

And here is a rendering (the building will include First Nations art on the front exterior):

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Well there's your missing middle


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#3455 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 01:33 PM

I don’t get it. How / why are they below market?

#3456 Mike K.

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 01:54 PM

For the same reason Hudson House is priced below market. The government backs lower interest loans, lowering the cost for providing the housing. In exchange, the parties agree what the market rate is, then subtract from that by some amount.

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#3457 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 01:59 PM

Oh yes sorry I missed that skimming the article.

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 02:24 PM

...Some of the stuff is even designed to evoke dominance over the street, with no respite in the form of a softer facade or a familiar interaction with the street. It’s like the urban realm conceived by the moderne urnaniste wants you to fear it and bow to it, not admire it.

Local streetscapes are developing all the charm of Soviet Stalinist architecture, with not a terribly dissimilar purpose.

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#3459 Mike K.

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 03:01 PM

And there’s even something nice about the brutalist stuff, if it’s not overdone or is in isolation (CICB Building, the TimerWest building in Vancouver, some of UVic’s stuff).

But today, we have this pockmarking neighbourhoods:

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Posted 24 March 2023 - 05:26 PM

I get a little frustrated when I see pointed statements aimed at people's lack of knowledge. Below is a statement that would suggest that the developers have bent over backwards to ensure that the nearby neighbours would not be overly affected by shadows produced by the development. (note the words "careful attention" below.)

 

The plan view included on the website then depicts a graphic that shows minimal shadowing. 

 

Note however, that the graphic represents the positioning of the sun at high noon on June 21 (roughly) That's exactly when you would expect to see the least amount of shadowing in Victoria. OK so now what happens to the neighbour's sunlight in winter when the sun resides in the southern sky for months on end? 

 

What "careful attention" did the developers take in order to make that "careful attention" statement?

 

What they are planning to do is build a 60 foot wall 10 feet in from the property line on all 4 sides. These 60 foot walls are not going to "minimize the impact to neighbours" even if they do refer to the height as being "respectful". 

 

Imagine when this "missing middle" idea gets up a head of steam where the entire city becomes rezoned away from single family, and all sorts of large structures (both tall and wide) can be built without much in the way of oversight other than a local community plan. 

 

 

[...Minimizing shadow impact
Careful attention was taken to minimize the impact to neighbors (sic)...]

 

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https://www.oezadevelopments.ca/


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