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#2121 Kyjen

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Posted 15 July 2022 - 01:03 PM

“chipping out concrete on many of the centre islands”


I noticed about a week ago they jackhammered out one side of each of the centre two pedestrian walkways (Herald). I know police use those walkways to drive through to go between the 500 & 600 block. I just assumed they were making the centre crosswalk wider for fire trucks/ambulances.
Also notice earlier this week based on tire tracks, a semi’s trailer or large truck that was turning right onto Gov from Herald clearly went over the larger then normal curb that separates bike and traffic lanes taking out the 3ft sign that warns people there’s a curb.

#2122 Sparky

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Posted 15 July 2022 - 01:37 PM

The jackhammers are out all down  the new bike lanes on Government Street, chipping out concrete on many of the centre islands as the fresh garden dirt spills out onto the roadway ... this (now removed) concrete is the stuff that was just poured a few weeks ago!

 

Looks like some Government Street bike lane, "bike lane blocking parking spaces", and traffic calming design deficiencies that we were told were just our imaginations running wild ... aren't in fact just our imaginations at all !

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I just travelled Government Street from Hillside to Johnson and did not see any remediation to the bike lane concrete. There was evidence of remediation to the centre planter areas...but nothing resembling your "bike lane" comments.

 

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#2123 mbjj

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Posted 15 July 2022 - 02:51 PM

I haven't seen Government St. in person since the changes. Judging by the photos, I won't be going there any time soon. Used to sometimes go to the Marks down there, I'll head over to Mayfair now instead. 



#2124 Ismo07

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Posted 15 July 2022 - 02:55 PM

Spy Black

I just travelled Government Street from Hillside to Johnson and did not see any remediation to the bike lane concrete. There was evidence of remediation to the centre planter areas...but nothing resembling your "bike lane" comments.

 

 

This is warranty work...  Cracks on the first day...


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#2125 Sparky

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Posted 15 July 2022 - 03:16 PM

Bless you Ismo

I have been watching the rebuttals that you have been receiving lately but rest assured that we (ok me) appreciate your input on this forum.
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#2126 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 15 July 2022 - 03:18 PM

I like the Ismo input.
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#2127 phx

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Posted 15 July 2022 - 06:22 PM

Ah when you said that, much of the discussion was about right turns on a red, so that's what I continued on...  Which design of a bike lane is better? 

As I said, turning across a through-traffic lane was traditionally frowned upon due to the risk.



#2128 FogPub

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Posted 15 July 2022 - 09:54 PM

Ah when you said that, much of the discussion was about right turns on a red, so that's what I continued on...  Which design of a bike lane is better?  The 2 way or one lane on each side of the street?  Or do you just dislike all protected bike lanes?  Hasn't the Pandora lanes been around for like almost 7 years now?  Fort for 5?  Kind of seem to be working...  Very few times are people waiting at lights, no increase in accidents (thought people say there are) even with a huge increase in bicycle traffic.  I had my doubts as well but after many years of observation kind or have to give them a pass, and sure there are a couple of contentions but what are specific issues about them that are poor?

The main things that are poor about both the Pandora and Fort bike lanes is that they are two-way lanes on one-way roads.  I know this and as a pedestrian I still often forget to look the other way when crossing one, naturally expecting the bike traffic to come from the same direction as the car traffic.  I've also noticed (I assume due to this design) a significant uptick in cyclists treating painted bike lanes on various other roads as if they are two-way.

 

The thing that is really poor about the Fort bike lane is that it's on the wrong side of the road, thus requiring eastbound cyclists to perform an inefficient (and perhaps dangerous, depending how they do it) crossing just after Cook St., in order to get to the right-hand side of the road.


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#2129 Spy Black

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Posted 17 July 2022 - 05:23 AM

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I just travelled Government Street from Hillside to Johnson and did not see any remediation to the bike lane concrete. There was evidence of remediation to the centre planter areas...but nothing resembling your "bike lane" comments.

 

Let's revisit this comment in a short while.

A little birdie tells me that the jackhammers aren't anywhere close to being finished on Gov't St yet.



#2130 Ismo07

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Posted 18 July 2022 - 07:34 AM

The main things that are poor about both the Pandora and Fort bike lanes is that they are two-way lanes on one-way roads.  I know this and as a pedestrian I still often forget to look the other way when crossing one, naturally expecting the bike traffic to come from the same direction as the car traffic.  I've also noticed (I assume due to this design) a significant uptick in cyclists treating painted bike lanes on various other roads as if they are two-way.

 

The thing that is really poor about the Fort bike lane is that it's on the wrong side of the road, thus requiring eastbound cyclists to perform an inefficient (and perhaps dangerous, depending how they do it) crossing just after Cook St., in order to get to the right-hand side of the road.

 

Yes the transition at Fort and Cook is goofy certainly, not many cities have bike lanes on both sides for the same direction.  I think there is a phase to clean that up.

 

2 way bike lanes one one way streets is not uncommon, whether on one way roads or two.  I've never really felt it was a big difference on either road application.  It's less expensive to build that way.  I assume they are usually placed on the side of the road with the least vehicle crossings for the most part while also keeping in mind bus access as well...

 

As for what individual cyclists do, regarding the riding down the wrong way, not much I can say to that.  Cyclists tend to go the easiest way, similar to car drivers if they could.  When crossing any one way street I still have a glance both ways (see too many cars coming the wrong way) so as a pedestrian the 2 way bikes lanes aren't much of a chore for me personally.  Usually wave both cars and bikes through as they have a good momentum going.



#2131 JohnsonStBridge

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Posted 18 July 2022 - 09:26 AM

Yes that will be fixed in the upcoming Fort St Central/East bike lane construction. The approved design for the Fort Street Central bike lane will extend the two-way bike lane on the north side of Fort St from Cook St up to the Yates St intersection. This will defer the need for bicycles to cross from the north to south side of the road until the Yates St intersection where it will have a proper crossing as the bike lane transitions to a one-way on both sides of the road design from the Yates St intersection to Foul Bay Rd. 


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#2132 FogPub

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Posted 18 July 2022 - 01:34 PM

Yes that will be fixed in the upcoming Fort St Central/East bike lane construction. The approved design for the Fort Street Central bike lane will extend the two-way bike lane on the north side of Fort St from Cook St up to the Yates St intersection. This will defer the need for bicycles to cross from the north to south side of the road until the Yates St intersection where it will have a proper crossing as the bike lane transitions to a one-way on both sides of the road design from the Yates St intersection to Foul Bay Rd. 

They still have to cross, though, which is less efficient both for them and for drivers (doubtless there'll be yet another traffic light put in for this crossing) than if a one-way lane went up the south side all the way along.


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