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#1501 Mike K.

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:31 PM

Those boxes are unsightly and require a lot of (relative) room. There's little chance of that form of bicycle parking becoming more prevalent in public spaces.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:47 PM

That's antiquated thinking in light of the $10 million dollars (and still counting) that the COV has invested in getting bikes downtown.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 06:43 PM

As well ... I (and others) had noted a couple of months ago that you could stick dozens (if not hundreds) of the individual bike storage lockers on one floor of a COV parkade(s).

 

Unfortunately, the powers that be with the COV responded that the City would then lose the parking revenue from cars ... "well yeah" ... that's sort of where Helps and her pals are taking us isn't it? ... so the least the City could do ... was to do it right with secure bicycle storage downtown.

 

$10 million+ for a half-assed job doesn't impress anybody that's actually paying attention.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:00 PM

What about the parking revenue from bicycles?  Not enough to compensate for the loss of car stalls (although you could probably fit at least four lockers in one car space)?



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:05 PM

I still think this is a cheaper solution....

 

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:27 PM

Well yeah, free is cheaper.

This is the same thing offered in Victoria on Car-Free Days.  Surely the solution is not to make every day car-free...?  ;)



#1507 LJ

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:41 PM

^No, I don't mean it should be free, I meant it would be cheap to set up and operate. You could charge a few dollars a day. Free for the first hour?


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 09:05 PM

^No, I don't mean it should be free, I meant it would be cheap to set up and operate. You could charge a few dollars a day. Free for the first hour?

 

I would pay for bike valet parking downtown, but I'm not down there everyday (so not the constant revenue stream).



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 09:42 PM

Ah...now I see the overall goal here: first get lots of people on to bikes, then start finding ways to turn cycling into a revenue source.

 

Sigh.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 09:47 PM

Ah...now I see the overall goal here: first get lots of people on to bikes, then start finding ways to turn cycling into a revenue source.

 

Sigh.

 

No incentive can last forever.  Even free EV charging eventually comes to an end.



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Posted 04 June 2019 - 07:30 AM

Imagine that your car was light enough to pick up and walk off with.  And people did this.  Every day.

 

LOL, that's not the issue. I see lots of places to lock ones bike up on the street and other places in the world do nothing more than lock their bikes to a rack.

 

What I don't understand is why we need secure bike lockers/rooms more than other cities? 


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Posted 04 June 2019 - 07:32 AM

LOL, that's not the issue. I see lots of places to lock ones bike up on the street and other places in the world do nothing more than lock their bikes to a rack.

 

What I don't understand is why we need secure bike lockers/rooms more than other cities? 

 

You really don't understand the difference between a $200 bike a la Europe and a $2000 or $5000 road or electric bike like we are talking about here?



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Posted 04 June 2019 - 07:36 AM

You really don't understand the difference between a $200 bike a la Europe and a $2000 or $5000 road or electric bike like we are talking about here?

 

Not even $200 in Europe. Most people who commute in large European cities ride crappy $50 bikes because they know that anything more expensive then that will be stolen. In fact I have been to some cities where people don't even bother to lock their bikes up as it is generally accepted that when someone steals your bike you just steal another one.


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#1514 Mike K.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 07:39 AM

I'll maintain that if there was an actual business case for something like this, these lockers would be available. There simply isn't the desire/need/volume of potential customers to make ends meet here, and I doubt the City of Victoria wants to get into the game of administering the parking of unlicensed bicycles.


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#1515 jonny

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 08:11 AM

Ah...now I see the overall goal here: first get lots of people on to bikes, then start finding ways to turn cycling into a revenue source.

 

Sigh.

 

You thought the guvment was going to forego revenue??? lol



#1516 Mike K.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 08:38 AM

Oak Bay Police have sent out a notice confirming they’ve issued “about a dozen tickets for 'biking without a helmet'.”

The cyclists were given a week to produce their helmet at OBPD’s HQ where their ticket will be voided. The force hopes this “nudge” will enhance cycling safety.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 10:26 AM

LOL, that's not the issue. I see lots of places to lock ones bike up on the street and other places in the world do nothing more than lock their bikes to a rack.

 

What I don't understand is why we need secure bike lockers/rooms more than other cities? 

 

LOL, that's entirely the issue.  Do you think that locked bikes on the street aren't being stolen?  Do you think that other places in the world don't also have bike theft problems?

 

Lest we be ridiculed for comparing Victoria to any other place in the world, let's focus on our hometown.

 

Where we live has a bike theft problem.  Where we live needs a bike security solution.

 

I get that you don't get it, but I don't get why you don't get it.



#1518 marks_28

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 10:50 AM

LOL, that's not the issue. I see lots of places to lock ones bike up on the street and other places in the world do nothing more than lock their bikes to a rack.

 

What I don't understand is why we need secure bike lockers/rooms more than other cities? 

 

Again, this definitely is the issue. I have two bikes, one worth about $3k which I ride to work, where there is secure bike storage, and another worth ~$200, which I take downtown whenever I need to leave it unattended. I'd never take my nice bike and leave it downtown, even for 30 minutes. Just not worth it. Any lock can be broken, just a matter of whether it takes 15 seconds or 2 minutes.

 

If the parkades offered a secure bike storage area, I would have no problem taking my nice bike downtown, and I'm sure there are others who would bike downtown if that were the case, rather than perhaps drive like they do now.


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#1519 Mike K.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 11:11 AM

A secure bike storage solution within a parkade is not a workable solution. That area would need to be monitored 24 hours a day to prevent mis-use and vandalism, and what would happen when a cyclist arrives and they encounter zero available stalls? Do they just leave their $3,000 bike on the street where they believe it'll be stolen by the time they finish lunch, or end their shift?

 

This is not an issue the City of Victoria wants to be plagued by.


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Posted 04 June 2019 - 11:16 AM

LOL, that's not the issue. I see lots of places to lock ones bike up on the street and other places in the world do nothing more than lock their bikes to a rack.

 

What I don't understand is why we need secure bike lockers/rooms more than other cities? 

Your declared lack of understanding makes explaining it to you all but impossible.



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