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[Victoria Watcher]

if you US flag it you are subject to US labour laws and wages. that will never work. cruising only works because of low wages and poor working conditions. it’s like a 3rd world beach or resort destination - that picks you up and drops you back off in the safety of the US. And even when it visits more 2nd and 3rd world ports (in the Caribbean and South America for example) you retreat to the safety of the ship at night.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 May 2021 - 11:47 AM.

[Greg]

That's why I'm reasonably confident the "skipping a foreign harbor" will be a temporary measure. Because if it is permanently eliminated, the next step will be to dramatically change the tax and labor law schema for the cruise industry, which they will do anything to avoid.

[Sparky]

...and the irony is that the original intent of the Jones Act is that it didn’t protect the ship building industry in the first place. It just forced the industry to come up with a work around.

Another case of governmental legislation that was ill conceived.

[Victoria Watcher]

it came in when ships did not easily travel long distances I suppose. and certainly before labour and wage laws.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 May 2021 - 11:58 AM.

[Daveyboy]

Certain council members of the COV are rubbing their little hands together in glee at this development.....

[Hotel Mike]

^Not to mention the cruise ship-hating people on the James Bay Neighbourhood Association.

[Mike K.]

Colwood wouldn’t mind a little bit of cruise ship business, I’m sure.

[Nparker]

WTH would cruise ship passengers do in Colwood?

[Mike K.]

What do they do in Victoria? Or Ketchikan? Or Juneau? Or Campbell River or Nanaimo?

[Nparker]

Shop, go to restaurants, visit the RBCM, tour the legislature, stroll through Chinatown, have tea at the Empress, visit Craigdarroch Castle. There's a lot to see and do, without having to take organized tours. As a cruise ship passenger, this has a lot of appeal.

[Greg]

Excursions are a very important profit center for the cruise industry. Victoria has better excursions than the other ports on Alaskan cruises. The cruise ships will want to come back to Victoria, because it is profitable for them.

[Mike K.]

Shop, go to restaurants, visit the RBCM, tour the legislature, stroll through Chinatown, have tea at the Empress, visit Craigdarroch Castle. There's a lot to see and do, without having to take organized tours. As a cruise ship passenger, this has a lot of appeal.

90% of people hop on a coach when they walk off the cruise ship at Ogden Point. And just about anything is more welcoming than Ogden Point.

I can also see the Colwood ferry being a popular way to get to downtown Victoria.

[Victoria Watcher]

plus that gondola ride.

[Nparker]

90% of people hop on a coach when they walk off the cruise ship at Ogden Point. And just about anything is more welcoming than Ogden Point.

I can also see the Colwood ferry being a popular way to get to downtown Victoria.

Not going to happen.

[Mike K.]

Oh I just think it might.

[Hotel Mike]

I think it might as well, Mike. Colwood is growing like stink, and a service like this would be very attractive. Almost as much as a train into town.

[Greg]

90% of people hop on a coach when they walk off the cruise ship at Ogden Point. And just about anything is more welcoming than Ogden Point.

I can also see the Colwood ferry being a popular way to get to downtown Victoria.

 

 

Oh I just think it might.

 

I don't think the Colwood Crawl Excursion is going to be a big seller...

[Mike K.]

I don’t think so either, but I’m confident highway improvements will keep on being made in this region.

The irony is, though, that the travel time to Butchart is shorter from Royal Bay than from Ogden Point.

[Victoria Watcher]

maybe the cruise ships can just dock at Butchart Gardens?

or the Brentwood Bay ferry dock?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 May 2021 - 03:41 PM.

[thaicobb]

Minimum depth at the Brentwood ferry dock is 6.8m at mean low water (MLW).  At Ogden Pt it is 10.8m at B-North and at least 13m at the other berths.