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#61 Nparker

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:29 PM

The answer to some of the shortcomings of the public health care system could be easily rectified if more private sector employers made the effort to bring in co-funded (employer-employee) extended health care plans to cover prescription medicine, rehabilitation services, dental etc. My sister works for a small employer in Parksville (under 25 employees) and they have a very good extended health care plan that covers her and her family but does NOT break the bank in terms of what she pays in premiums or deductibles.


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#62 LJ

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:36 PM

I suppose because we can hop across the border and access their services if we want to pay for them. Lots of people have given up hope for receiving timely elective surgeries and are foregoing Canadian health care.

 

 

 

Yes that is true, however surgery in the US is the first option presented to patients, because it makes lots of money for the providers.

I know people who have had 3 or 4 operations for things we would get physio or some other much less invasive treatment for.


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#63 LJ

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:46 PM

Try telling that to someone who is waiting in the emergency waiting area for nearly eight hours because there is no bed available while the two doctors on staff can't keep up with demand. Or those waiting for "elective" surgeries for years while living with excruciating pain, forcing many to seek care in the US. And specialist visits ...don't even get me started on how nice it is to find out you need to see a specialist but your appointment must be booked four months in advance.

 

The emergency waiting rooms in the US are no quicker than ours. You are triaged and unless you are spouting blood all over the place you will wait, sometimes for hours. And you will fill out forms, many forms. The form filling usually takes much longer than the treatment.

For specialists you are correct, you don't need a doctors referral and you can usually get in within a few days. I think the main reason is that they have specialists of every description and clinics that specialize in one part of the body only. They do cost you though, that is why they are available. If you visit a specialist within your HMO however the wait time can be longer depending on which one you need and how many they have.


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#64 jonny

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:37 AM

Emergency room wait times in the US are so bad now that these private "urgent care" places are popping up all over where insured people can get urgent, but not hospital level emergency care, but not have to endure the hospital wait.

 

I know in Texas they have a law where a hospital cannot turn away anybody for any reason, so all of the uninsured people go to the hospital when they need to see a doctor. The result is most of the people going to the hospital are there for things that should be dealt with at a clinic, but since they are poor and uninsured they go to where the free care is - the hospital.



#65 Mike K.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:45 AM

Yup. And this in turn drives the high premiums insured patients have to pay.

Why didn't Michael Moore bring that up in his video?

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:59 AM

Well the Michael Moore video was done like 10 years ago so it is not exactly up to date info. Neither system is perfect and there will always be people on both sides of the border looking across and seeing a solution when in fact the issues are just as big just different.

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#67 Mike K.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:15 AM

Yes, I guess you're absolutely right on that front. We don't have a magic system despite what a lot of people (and Americans) think, hence the opposition down south to Obamacare.

Regarding the film for a sec, Americans in quite a few states benefited from the no-refusal laws at hospitals during the filming of the film. Moore just conveniently sidestepped this fact.

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#68 jklymak

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:33 AM

Yes, I guess you're absolutely right on that front. We don't have a magic system despite what a lot of people (and Americans) think, hence the opposition down south to Obamacare.

Regarding the film for a sec, Americans in quite a few states benefited from the no-refusal laws at hospitals during the filming of the film. Moore just conveniently sidestepped this fact.

 

Expensive ER care for the uninsured was a major criticism of the US system before Obamacare.  



#69 Mike K.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 10:43 AM

What has Obamacare changed? I admit I don't know the specifics but I do know there is a great deal of opposition to it.


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#70 jklymak

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:39 AM

There is a great deal of opposition to "Obamacare" but very little to any of its provisions.  What it changes with respect to insurance coverage is it expanded Medicaid and says the rest of folks have to be signed up for insurance or face penalties. Low income folks get subsidies.  It also banned practices like denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, allows kids up to 26 to stay on their parents' plans.  Lots of other things.  http://en.wikipedia....rdable_Care_Act

 

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 02:06 PM

Interesting observation this week. I went to my eye doctor because I have a small lump under my eyelid. She referred me to an ophthalmologist plastics Dr. The next available appointment is October 29.....so I phone the Opthamologist and ask if there are other ways to be seen faster like a cancellation list etc....she said sure, we can see you privately in 6 weeks for $400 as a cosmetic procedure or wait 6 months for the medical procedure...same 30 minute procedure....the difference is obviously I will pay as opposed to MSP paying!

 

Guess which route I'm going?

 

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#72 jonny

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 02:28 PM

You can also purchase MRIs and other medical imaging services privately.

 

http://www.canmagnet...om/scans-rates/

 

I think it's great. If I had something like an ACL or MCL issue I would totally consider spending $895 to expedite the process rather than wait six months or whatever on a MRI wait list. You could easily waste that sort of money going to see a physio for an issue that can't be fixed with physiotherapy.



#73 jonny

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 09:04 AM

 

It is certainly frustrating.  Everyone has family members who have to wait too long.  Personally I don't think it's right for the rich to be able to buy priority.  But even if you do, you can't consider this a donation to the health care system.

 

Anyways this is massively off-topic.

 

 

You can already buy priority in Canada for many, many health care related services. We already have private delivery in this country. Lifelabs, imaging services and plastic surgery come to mind. I don't know if you can purchase other surgical procedures in this country, but I have been led to believe we cannot. I think it's silly that we chase doctors and nurses out of Canada to work elsewhere because the bureaucracies cut service levels and shun private delivery. I think it's silly that we force Canadians to spend money in the US and India when they want to pay for certain procedures rather than spend that money in Canada and contribute to our local economies and communities.    

 

The answer to our health care woes lies somewhere in a mixed model, like France and other much better ranked countries. We need more private delivery in this country. Private deliver = greater efficiency. 



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Posted 18 June 2015 - 09:22 AM

Interesting observation this week. I went to my eye doctor because I have a small lump under my eyelid. She referred me to an ophthalmologist plastics Dr. The next available appointment is October 29.....so I phone the Opthamologist and ask if there are other ways to be seen faster like a cancellation list etc....she said sure, we can see you privately in 6 weeks for $400 as a cosmetic procedure or wait 6 months for the medical procedure...same 30 minute procedure....the difference is obviously I will pay as opposed to MSP paying!

 

Guess which route I'm going?

 

Who says there's no 2 tier system in Canada???

 

Don't worry, I am sure that they will charge MSP as well!



#75 LJ

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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:43 PM

 

 
. I don't know if you can purchase other surgical procedures in this country, but I have been led to believe we cannot. I think it's silly that we chase doctors and nurses out of Canada to work elsewhere because the bureaucracies cut service levels and shun private delivery.

Sure you can purchase surgeries here, the new head of the BCMA runs a private surgery suite in Vancouver, and there is a private surgery office across from Pier I imports and I am sure there are many others.


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:56 PM


GP shortage a ‘tragic state of affairs’: retiring Saanich doctor

 

A Saanich doctor’s letter informing patients of his retirement next month spells out the grim reality of the doctors’ shortage in B.C. and what happens to your files when a family physician closes up shop. Dr. Brian S. Pound, 77, is retiring on June 12 after nearly five decades as a family doctor in Greater Victoria.

 

His colleague Dr. Brad Hunter, 66, is also closing up shop.

 

The pair tried to sell the McKenzie Avenue practice, advertising in medical journals. They had one serious inquiry, but no deal was reached.

 

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#77 lanforod

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 07:25 AM

No surprise there. Took us a year to find a GP, and that one sucked. Another 6 months later we found a good one, though he is a good 20 minute drive from our place. Both were willing to take us only because we were directly referred by someone they knew personally.


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#78 jonny

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 07:34 AM

 

Dr. Jeff Bishop, a pediatrician who is treating Isabelle at Victoria General Hospital, said whooping cough is incredibly infectious and spreads easily through contact with anyone who is inadequately vaccinated.

 

He said that anecdotally, he has noticed over the past year the hospital has treated more children with whooping cough than usual. A small number of children have died during the past five years, he added.

 

 

“These are diseases that kill children and we’re lucky that in Canada we see them very rarely. But we’re seeing them come back. We’re seeing measles, we’re seeing babies die from whooping cough where previously we weren’t.”

 

http://news.national...-whooping-cough

 

Man these stories piss me off. Vaccinate your kids.

 

Why are people becoming such tools? Why do these hippies think some blog they read on the internet written by an elder flower tea drinking, snake skin soup eating, C- list celebrity invalidates decades of scientific research?

 

I thought you couldn't send your kids to school if they weren't vaccinated? That's how it was when I was a kid.

 

Now us tax payers are spending probably $500,000 treating Isabelle because some idiot thinks a $5 vaccine was going to give their kid who-knows-what because of, like, the corporations, man.

 

****.



#79 Nparker

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 07:45 AM

...Vaccinate your kids..

This! What does it say about our society when Jenny McCarthy has as much clout as MDs? I suppose this same reasoning is behind the rise of Donald Trump. I am convinced we are becoming stupider and more ignorant as a species every day.


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#80 Jason-L

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 09:01 AM

I suspect the level of ignorance is constant, but as we add newer methods to transmit data, it just gets more obvious.

 

Also, we seemed wired to want to believe things that help us make sense of the world and keep it from being random, uncaring and unfathomable.  The world is complex far beyond our ability to comprehend, so to cope we craft narratives that explain everything.  My child has an unexpected condition - something has to be at fault, because otherwise I have to accept that the world I live in doesn't actually care a whit about my (or my child's) existence and in the flow of things, my actions and life are meaningless.

 

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