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[VicHockeyFan]

Wipe out that stripe and you will be manual entry at every bar, every single time you go out on the town. BarCode and Element make manual entries wait until there is no line, sort of a punishment. I think you will find kids would rather get in quick.

[VicHockeyFan]

There used to be a teen nightclub near the main Save-On, and when a kid got there, they'd take down his name or membership number if he was enrolled, and then if a parent called they could tell them their kid was there or not etc. sort of a way to promote it as a safe place. Anyway, would that fail the privacy test now?

[Bob Fugger]

There used to be a teen nightclub near the main Save-On, and when a kid got there, they'd take down his name or membership number if he was enrolled, and then if a parent called they could tell them their kid was there or not etc. sort of a way to promote it as a safe place. Anyway, would that fail the privacy test now?

No, because the data is being used for the purpose for which it was collected. The membership number is their own, not third party data collected for a different purpose altogether. I don't get your argument...

[victorian fan]

Sep 16, 2009 07:28 PM


Victoria bars and nightclubs will be keeping track of patrons once again, very soon.

Bar Watch members in Victoria will resume scanning IDs and collecting personal information thanks to a deal struck between Bar Watch stakeholders and B.C. Information and Privacy Commissioner David Loukidelis.

In July, Loukidelis ordered the Vancouver club Wild Coyote to stop scanning IDs and collecting patrons’ personal information. When other bars continued to scan IDs, Loukidelis issued a press release saying that his order had implications for all bars in B.C. and that he wanted to work constructively with stakeholders toward a solution. Victoria bars stopped using Bar Watch this summer while a new agreement was negotiated.

The new deal allows bars using TreoScope’s EnterSafe surveillance system to record every patron’s name, photograph, gender and date of birth, but bars are no longer allowed to keep ID serial numbers on file. The personal information of patrons who are not flagged must now be destroyed after 24 hours, instead of one year.

“It’s the exact result we wanted,” said Victoria Bar and Cabaret Association spokesman Scott Gurney. “We’re still going to be able to identify problematic individuals and those trying to enter with false IDs. And we can protect our establishments and protect the individuals coming into our establishments.”

Gurney said Victoria Bar Watch members are sending their EnterSafe systems to TreoScope in Vancouver to have new software installed that addresses the privacy commissioner’s concerns. All personal information collected to date will be destroyed, except information on flagged individuals.

Gurney said Victoria Bar Watch members will resume using EnterSafe within weeks.

TreoScope president Owen Cameron was pleased with the solution.

“We’re happy, our clients are happy … and law enforcement are pretty happy with it,” Cameron said. “So everyone, all the stakeholders, are happy.”

Cameron said that he wanted to meet with Loukidelis earlier to find a solution but wasn’t allowed.

“If we had had that roadmap given to us four-and-a-half years ago we would have done it,” he said.

Cameron said TreoScope can still use aggregated non-personal patron information to offer its clients data analysis services.

B.C. Civil Liberties Association Policy Director Micheal Vonn still has concerns about the program.

“It would be helpful to know what information Bar Watch brought forward that would indicate that this is the appropriate level of patron surveillance,” she said. “This kind of logic of ‘we’re going to collect data on you in case you do anything wrong’ — it’s just the complete subversion of the presumption of innocence, and of the kinds of procedures that we have in place to ensure that there is reasonable suspicion before people are even investigated.”

Vonn said the use of the EnterSafe surveillance system could still be challenged through a complaint to the privacy commissioner and then through a judicial review.

“This principle of preemptive policing — ‘we need to know everything about you and where you go in case you do anything wrong’ — has now become a very dominant force and narrative in policing and it needs to be pushed back,” she said.

http://www.martlet.c...resume-scanning

[victorian fan]

UPDATED BARWATCH PROGRAM TO START THIS WEEKEND

Sep 23, 2009

BARS AND CABARETS IN VICTORIA THAT SUBSCRIBED TO THE BARWATCH PROGRAM WILL HAVE THEIR UPDATED SYSTEMS IN PLACE THIS WEEKEND.

ACCORDING TO SCOTT GURNEY WITH THE VICTORIA BAR AND CABARET ASSOCIATION, THE SYSTEMS USED IN THE PROGRAM ARE NOW ON THEIR WAY BACK TO VICTORIA AFTER UNDERGOING UPGRADES IN VANCOUVER.

THE BARWATCH PROGRAM WAS INTRODUCED IN VICTORIA THIS SUMMER AND RAN INTO A ROADBLOCK ALMOST IMMEDIATELY WHEN BC'S PRIVACY WATCHDOG RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE INFORMATION COLLECTED BY THE SYSTEM.

IN AUGUST, AN AGREEMENT WAS REACHED AND NEW GUIDELINES SET THAT WILL SEE ALL PERSONAL INFORMATION COLLECTED BY THE BARS DESTROYED AFTER 24 HOURS UNLESS A PARTICULAR CUSTOMER IS DEEMED VIOLENT OR UNDESIREABLE.

THIS WEEKEND WILL MARK THE FIRST WEEKEND THE TECHNOLOGY IS USED UNDER THE NEW GUIDELINES IN VICTORIA.

http://www.cfax1070....hp?newsId=10649

[VicHockeyFan]

It's timed to tie into the new ClubThrifty card. If you are unruly in a Thrifty's store now, you can't go to the bar later, and vice-versa. Also, if BarWatch detects you buying lots of margarita mix at Thrifty's, you'll be dressed down by the doorman at the bar, warned not to drink so much at home, but spend your money at the bar instead. Fairways has expressed an interest in the system.

[Ms. B. Havin]

It's timed to tie into the new ClubThrifty card. If you are unruly in a Thrifty's store now, you can't go to the bar later, and vice-versa. Also, if BarWatch detects you buying lots of margarita mix at Thrifty's, you'll be dressed down by the doorman at the bar, warned not to drink so much at home, but spend your money at the bar instead. Fairways has expressed an interest in the system.

Bwahaha! Big Brother, the "island way"....

[VicHockeyFan]

To ease people back in a couple of the bars are offering a free plastic shopping bag with each successful TreScope scan.

[Ms. B. Havin]

Stop! You're killing me...

[VicDuck]

It's timed to tie into the new ClubThrifty card. If you are unruly in a Thrifty's store now, you can't go to the bar later, and vice-versa. Also, if BarWatch detects you buying lots of margarita mix at Thrifty's, you'll be dressed down by the doorman at the bar, warned not to drink so much at home, but spend your money at the bar instead. Fairways has expressed an interest in the system.

That's a horrible system that infringes on our rights.

[sebberry]

These are the guys they're trying to keep out of the bars, right?

[Caramia]

There is no way he is serious.

[sebberry]

That's a horrible system that infringes on our rights.

Safeway has been reporting your "Safeway club card" purchases to your doctors and MSP for years now. If you buy too many fatty foods, you can be denied related medical coverage.

[Caramia]

[VicDuck]

Safeway has been reporting your "Safeway club card" purchases to your doctors and MSP for years now. If you buy too many fatty foods, you can be denied related medical coverage.

That's why i don't have a Safeway club card.

[VicHockeyFan]

Safeway has been reporting your "Safeway club card" purchases to your doctors and MSP for years now. If you buy too many fatty foods, you can be denied related medical coverage.

That's not true. But it does come up on the emergency-room doctor's chart, and he is advised not to try as hard to save you.

[VicDuck]

That's not true. But it does come up on the emergency-room doctor's chart, and he is advised not to try as hard to save you.

That's disgusting.

[sebberry]

I heard if you buy too many of those scratch and sniff greeting cards they send you for addictions counselling

[Caramia]

Oh, well.
That explains a dark chapter of my life.

[VicHockeyFan]

POSSIBLE LIQUOR SUSPENSIONS FOR VICTORIA BARS

http://www.cfax1070....hp?newsId=11189

Nov 2, 2009

A BUSY HALLOWEEN WEEKEND COULD SEE SOME VICTORIA BARS LOOKING AT LIQUOR LICENSE SUSPENSIONS.

Alas, some bars can't help themsleves. If they are BarWatch Bars, and I'm guessing they are, they will be in trouble. But it'll be a year before the hearings on the suspensions.

And I can tell ya how this happens, a few bar owners/managers get a little greedy, and NOBODY EXPECTED TO SEE THE LIQUOR INSPECTOR THIS SATURDAY, the suspicion would have been that cops were too busy with other stuff to spare officers for bar-patrol.

...SO WE HAD TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF OVERSERVICE AND OVERCROWDING...

Overservice will be impossible to prove in this circumstance (people drinking on the busses, and at other establishments), but overcrowding will likely be the basis for the suspensions. That's EASY for a bar to control, if it wants to.