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[Mike K.]

Could you imagine the uproar by the SJWs if there was a movement to try and ban dogs from apartments or condos?!

It’ll have to wait for the current movement pushing for pet-friendly status for all rental housing units, the movement to ban cats from roaming the outdoors, and the movement to encourage more urban deer.

[sebberry]

Could you imagine the uproar by the SJWs if there was a movement to try and ban dogs from apartments or condos?!

 

Many of us already have to deal with that.

[todd]

Many of us already have to deal with that.

Honestly at times my dog is more clean than me he uses professional groomers for his hypoallergenic coat and doesn’t skimp I get the bills.

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[mbjj]

We're almost downtown and having a heck of a time with deer eating our garden now. Have had to put up a lot of netting and barricades. Saw two deer crossing Cook St. near Fairfield the other day.

[tedward]

I have long been under the impression that classic Roberts Rules of Order ...

 

Just FYI, Robert's Rules generally do not apply in Canada as we are nation of Parliamentary procedure which can be found in Bourinot's Rules.

 

Many similarities but as a proud Canadian I prefer them to the rules crafted by US Army Officer.

[Rob Randall]

I wanted to link to Adam Stirling's May 21 Tally-Ho interview as it will probably expire off the internet soon:

 

https://omny.fm/show...hour-2-may-21st

 

And here's his morning after roundtable from the 24th:

 

https://omny.fm/show...dtable-may-24th

 

I think it's important to review these shows and others as Ben Issit apparently claims they were part of an unfair conspiracy to, well, I'm not sure what he's alleging but he's not happy. I think like Donald Trump, Issit is unhappy when things don't go his way and is willing to craft a back-story that justifies the outcome. 

 

Stirling has denied orchestrating the carriage supporters in any way.

[Nparker]

...Ben Issit apparently claims they were part of an unfair conspiracy to, well, I'm not sure what he's alleging but he's not happy. I think like Donald Trump, Issit is unhappy when things don't go his way and is willing to craft a back-story that justifies the outcome...

I think he's rather stunned at not getting his way and having anyone convincingly challenge him. Much like Trump, Isitt's fans pretty much follow his every word and deed unquestioningly. He's not going to easily accept defeat.

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[rjag]

Isitt surfaced on Local Gov 2.0 FB page and made a few pouty comments 

 

https://www.facebook...55164987918007/

 

 

Cairine Green Lesson learned we hope. Communities care about local resources and attractions and I am glad to see that so many were engaged, including the business sector.

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  Brad Funk I agree, it was really great to se Butchart Gardens out in support of the carriage industry too.

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  Pamela Grant Sadly, lesson not learned Cairine. This council likes to do something, pretend they consulted (widely, lol), act suprised at the public backlash, and then backtrack. That's their modus operandi. As someone said yesterday, they don't want to govern, they want to rule. It's more like a student council tham anythong else.

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  Brad Funk Pamela Grant You nailed it. But I do not lump all of the councillors into your description, Thornton-Joe and Young are reasonable in their thought process. I just wish they had better quality members on council who understood their need to represent the people and not their interests or loyalties as a result of the election process.

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  Ben Isitt I guess the voters were wrong when they elected the current city council seven months ago. Good thing that CFAX knows better.

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  Richard Gordon Ben Isitt they werent elected to run roughshod over peoples liveliehoods. They were elected to look after the infrastructure of the City not impose bizarre ideology. These are legitimate businesses that contribute to the economy and identity of our fair city and region there is a significant multiplier effect to the local economy with this type of business...and that contributes to the tax base, local employment and is pretty well carbon neutral. The horses are very well looked after and there is a far higher likelihood of someone being injured from uneven sidewalks and potholes than a carriage interaction with traffic. They spend 85% of their time in Beacon Hill Park and the rest around James Bay between the Leg and Ogden Point. Let it go, focus on fixing the roads and reducing red tape for affordable housing...

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• Pamela Grant Brad, I agree. Individual councillors are a different matter, and not all of them - including Ben Isitt - make nothing but bad decisions. The ones that piss people off however, seem to come from a minority of members - unfortunately with Isitt having something of a preponderance of them these past 7 months. There's seems to be an awful lot of grandstanding at City Hall these days...

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  Darlene Archibald For Victoria Ben. Please make wise decisions regarding local businesses. You were on council when the decision was made to work on Fort St in preparation of the bike lane. 8 months was far too long for any business to last without major losses. 
  The Councils choices are impacting the way people make a living in this town. We need a strong council that will remember these things. 

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  Mary Michele Patricia Horse carriage industries are being sunsetted all over the world. Councillor Isitt's original motion was neither original nor disparaging of the local industry in any way. Mechanized vehicles now dominate our roadways and to avoid the traffic and saf…See More

 

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Ben Isitt I guess the voters were wrong when they elected the current city council seven months ago. Good thing that CFAX knows better.

 

 

 

Pamela Grant In the context Isitt is using, it means directed at an indivdual. If he wants to avoid such attention, then he should have one of his underlings bring forth controversial motions. That's what trainee American Eagle socialists are for.

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• Ben Isitt How about we debate the issues? If the carriage industry has such a strong basis to stand on, why don’t supporters of the industry rely on those arguments rather than personal attacks. Comes across a sign of weakness, in my opinion.

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• Richard Gordon Ben Isitt this topic was dealt with last year. This sudden appearance on your agenda smacks of petty politics and nothing more.

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• Pamela Grant Oh Ben, come on. If you wanted actual discourse and debate, you would have promoted a public forum to do exactly that, but you didn't. That wasn't an accident; it wasn't an oversight. The pattern is truly becoming tedious. You are a smart man, and you can do better than that - if you want to.

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His double standard and playing the victim card

 

Ben Isitt How about we debate the issues? If the carriage industry has such a strong basis to stand on, why don’t supporters of the industry rely on those arguments rather than personal attacks. Comes across a sign of weakness, in my opinion.

 

 

Apparently his comments against the SPCA and CFAX etc are exempt from being interpreted as personal attacks...

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[jonny]

Stirling has denied orchestrating the carriage supporters in any way.

 

Which in and of itself is a ridiculous point for Stirling to have to fend off. 

 

Who cares if he orchestrated anything? 

 

By that logic the anti-pipeline activism should all be discredited because those protests and campaigns were all orchestrated by some person or group. 

[Mike K.]

Perhaps Isitt can’t accept that groups are willing to strategically organize against him, since he’s used to arranging them against others?

This may have been the first time he’s heard “Ban Ben” being chanted by a massive group of people, and it no doubt deeply unsettled and concerned him. It would anyone.

But the theory that Stirling organized a protest is patently absurd.

[Rob Randall]

Stirling had Reichert on his show, too. And I assume he was treated fairly--at least until Jordan didn't come clean on his involvement in the fake carriage closure sign. So he was willing to hear both sides.

 

I'll say it yet again, the reporting side of the newsroom is separate from the opinion side. The opinion people are paid to take a side. The news people don't normally collaborate with the opinion people, sometimes they don't even like each other.

[Mike K.]

Reichert has always been treated fairly, but the exchange between him and Stirling when Stirling confronted him about the signs was obviously a little tense. Stirling was not happy that he had been deceived into believing the signs were issued by the municipality.

[Midnightly]

if Cfax had this great amazing power to sway people we would not have the council or mayor we have today...

[Victoria Watcher]

yes no kidding

[Rob Randall]

C-FAX is:

 

a) Irrelevant, obsolete medium that is listened to by about a dozen stay-at-home geezers

b) A mighty media giant that controls the public agenda with the push of a button

c) All of the above

[Tom Braybrook]

C-FAX is:

 

a) Irrelevant, obsolete medium that is listened to by about a dozen stay-at-home geezers

b) A mighty media giant that controls the public agenda with the push of a button

c) All of the above

...i'll choose c)...that wat i can have it both ways, a la Isitt... ;-)

[todd]

B icelandic mind control device

[todd]

It’s been a little while but used to work with stereos in a past life had a surprisingly large number of people coming in saying all they cared about was AM so they could tune in to cfax.

[vortoozo]

CFAX was #3 in the Victoria market this spring: https://www.pugetsou...19/05/30/98815/

 

By far the largest demographic is 65+: https://www.bellmedi...014/02/CFAX.pdf

Only about 50% of total listeners are "employed" - most of the rest are retired.

 

It's definitely the "get off my lawn" station in Vic.

[rjag]

CFAX was #3 in the Victoria market this spring: https://www.pugetsou...19/05/30/98815/

 

By far the largest demographic is 65+: https://www.bellmedi...014/02/CFAX.pdf

Only about 50% of total listeners are "employed" - most of the rest are retired.

 

It's definitely the "get off my lawn" station in Vic.

 

Its definitely not the station for angry left wing 'we love big government running our lives' types