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[Victoria Watcher]

that's a little bit subjective not sure you can enforce/enact that kind of a "behaviour" rule.

[Mike K.]

In my building that’s how it was done. If you were seen breaking that rule you could lose parking privileges.

[Nparker]

It's a sad statement on society that common sense needs a bylaw.

[Victoria Watcher]

In my building that’s how it was done. If you were seen breaking that rule you could lose parking privileges.

also not sure that would stand up if challenged.

[Coreyburger]

also not sure that would stand up if challenged.

 

Why not? There are tonnes of behavioural bylaws on the books. Smoking, noise, pet ownership, etc.

[Victoria Watcher]

Why not? There are tonnes of behavioural bylaws on the books. Smoking, noise, pet ownership, etc.

 

surely you can see the differences between your examples and the timing of a closing door with respect to the distance from your car.

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[Bob Fugger]

From what I understand, strata fines - unlike strata fees - are completely unenforceable under the Strata Act.

[Victoria Watcher]

From what I understand, strata fines - unlike strata fees - are completely unenforceable under the Strata Act.

 

it's just quite difficult if the owner refuses to voluntarily pay them.

 

https://www2.gov.bc....and-rules#fines

[Hotel Mike]

I believe that a strata corporation is allowed to put a lien on an individual's property, so that the strata fees will have to come out of any sale eventually.

[sebberry]

I believe that a strata corporation is allowed to put a lien on an individual's property, so that the strata fees will have to come out of any sale eventually.

 

For the fees, yes.  Not fines.  

[tjv]

so what happens if the person receiving the fine wants to challenge it?  I am assuming it has to go to court and now several people would have to take the day off work among others to attend.  Want to bet that witness suddenly changes their story once they discover they will be out a days wages

 

Anyone have any experience challenging strata fines?  how does it work?  To me it would be like a cop issuing a speeding ticket, the ticket is just an allegation, now it has to be proven in a court of law

[Victoria Watcher]

see what happens when you let strangers into the parking garage?

 

Police release images of 3 suspects, getaway van in alleged Markham kidnapping

 

 

 

Police said Wanzhen Lu, a Chinese national and a student in Toronto, and a female friend had just gotten out of their vehicle in the parking garage when a van pulled up behind them. The van was believed to be in the garage already when Lu and his friend appeared.

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...rkham-1.5069485

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 24 March 2019 - 05:38 PM.

[Coreyburger]

surely you can see the differences between your examples and the timing of a closing door with respect to the distance from your car.

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Failing to secure the premises (which is what leaving the door before it closes is) is a major problem. Stuff gets stolen from condo parking garages all the time.

[lanforod]

From what I understand, strata fines - unlike strata fees - are completely unenforceable under the Strata Act.

 

Eh? Since when? Check out the actual SPA, at section 130 and on from there: http://www.bclaws.ca...atreg/98043_07 

[LJ]

Failing to secure the premises (which is what leaving the door before it closes is) is a major problem. Stuff gets stolen from condo parking garages all the time.

I think the only way to prevent that is to have double doors, second one doesn't open til the first one is closed.

[Bob Fugger]

Eh? Since when? Check out the actual SPA, at section 130 and on from there: http://www.bclaws.ca...atreg/98043_07 

 

Oh, I have checked out the actual SPA.  You should track back to Part 6, Division 6 - Money Owing to the Corporation.  Lemme know what you think.

[lanforod]

Ok thanks. That reads to me like liens cannot be used to collect fines. The CRT or other court options should work though from what I can tell.
IANAL...

[Victoria Watcher]

https://www.timescol...ered-1.23777434

how can you have no-limit parking sundays but not other days?

https://www.timescol...ered-1.23777434

isn’t that mixed messages? look at $3/hour the city should just allow repeat metering or no limit if people want to pay $24 to park at a meter all day.

[Ismo07]

https://www.timescol...ered-1.23777434

how can you have no-limit parking sundays but not other days?

https://www.timescol...ered-1.23777434

isn’t that mixed messages? look at $3/hour the city should just allow repeat metering or no limit if people want to pay $24 to park at a meter all day.

 

Well the intent of time limits is to ensure turnover.  So in the downtown core on a regular week day there is a need for the turnover for people going to appointments and visit professional services.  On Sundays the majority of visitors to downtown are shopping, eating or attending some form of entertainment.  There will also simply be less visitors so the turnover doesn't really need to be pushed as much because typically there should be availability.  Am I explaining that in a way that makes sense?

 

Cities have two ways to induce turnover and that is with pricing and time limits.  The feeling is that the lower rate will provide enough of a turnover.  As Sunday paid parking will be introduced for the first time we can only speculate.  The feeling is starting a little lower on the scale and seeing first the affect before making further adjustments rather than apply the full restrictions and then scaling back.

[spanky123]

Well the intent of time limits is to ensure turnover.  So in the downtown core on a regular week day there is a need for the turnover for people going to appointments and visit professional services.  On Sundays the majority of visitors to downtown are shopping, eating or attending some form of entertainment.  There will also simply be less visitors so the turnover doesn't really need to be pushed as much because typically there should be availability.  Am I explaining that in a way that makes sense?

 

Cities have two ways to induce turnover and that is with pricing and time limits.  The feeling is that the lower rate will provide enough of a turnover.  As Sunday paid parking will be introduced for the first time we can only speculate.  The feeling is starting a little lower on the scale and seeing first the affect before making further adjustments rather than apply the full restrictions and then scaling back.

 

Thanks for the explanation. I am curious though how staff have determine that parking revenue on Sundays will drop from $600K to $500K (about 15%) when parking fees will be reduced from $3 to $2 (about 33%) and more on street parking will be free.