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#1 victorian fan

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 11:32 AM

Greater Victoria communities are receiving the second of three installments in their share of a $232-million province-wide initiative consisting of the Traffic Fine Revenue Sharing Program and Small Community and Regional District Grants.

The $2.9 million investment in the regional districts will be put towards enhancing policing practices, and strategies for safer streets, said Oak Bay-Gordon Head MLA Ida Chong.

Victoria receives $1,199560; Saanich receives $836,809; Oak Bay receives $215,942; Central Saanich receives $238,556; North Saanich receives $209,545; Sidney receives $206,036; and Islands Trust receives $84,018.

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#2 jklymak

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 11:46 AM

^ And, since instituting this have accidents statistics improved? Is it a net gain in terms of policing power or are the local cops subsidizing a tax on the speedy?

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:11 PM

^ And, since instituting this have accidents statistics improved? Is it a net gain in terms of policing power or are the local cops subsidizing a tax on the speedy?


I don't buy the "tax on the speedy". If you are speeding, you are speeding. They have a kmh leeway, and quite frankly, for every time you are caught, you probably got away with speeding 100 times.

#4 jklymak

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 02:36 PM

^ Sure, I have no problem with that. Its just that I see a lot of manpower put into speed traps, but I rarely see cops walking the beat.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 08:21 PM

If your caught speeding you should have your car impounded for a couple a weeks along with a 500 dollar fine for a first offense. This won't apply if your rushing someone to a hospital in which they have serous wounds or problems. If your caught drinking and driving then you should never be allowed to drive again and pay a $4000 fine.

#6 Bob Fugger

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 08:25 PM

^^I'd be interested in knowing the rationale for you 'solution'.

#7 VicDuck

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 09:00 PM

^^I'd be interested in knowing the rationale for you 'solution'.


The harsher the punishment, the less people will break the law.

#8 Bob Fugger

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 09:14 PM

The harsher the punishment, the less people will break the law.


Ingenious. You should run for office and effect some real changes.

#9 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 09:27 PM

The harsher the punishment, the less people will break the law.


Yes, capital punishment seems to be keeping the US murder rate down....

#10 mat

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 09:35 PM

In defense of Vicduck - traffic violation fines have proven to have a real conversion to driving habits. Hit drivers with a $150 fine for 50kmph in a 30kmph school zone - they get the lesson.

Problem with that, and with all 'simple' affective law is enforcement. That is also deemed less credible when the actual fines are played about as ready cash by various government bodies.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 09:44 PM

Yes, capital punishment seems to be keeping the US murder rate down....


Not many states use capital punishment anymore. Personally i don't agree with it for there is a chance you can kill an innocent person.

#12 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 09:53 PM

Not many states use capital punishment anymore. Personally i don't agree with it for there is a chance you can kill an innocent person.


Most still have it, 33 or so.

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

...and I did find this interesting:

Suicide on death row

The suicide rate of death row inmates was found by Lester and Tartaro to be 113 per 100,000 for the period 1976–1999. This is about ten times the rate of suicide in the United States as a whole and about six times the rate of suicide in the general U.S. prison population.


I wonder how that compares to those serving life sentences?

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 12:35 AM

Perhaps traffic fine revenues should go towards driver training. I'm sure YDBC could do with a couple million to build a dedicated driver training center similar to the one the JIBC uses.

Most road users have medicore training at best and passed very simple tests. These are the same people who are now expected to teach their children how to drive. Passing one generation of bad habits to another.

If speed was the only traffic law people broke, collisions would drop to almost zero.

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 12:37 AM

Not many states use capital punishment anymore. Personally i don't agree with it for there is a chance you can kill an innocent person.


You could also potentially jail an innocent person for life. I think I would rather take the needle than regular rapings in the shower :o:p

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#15 Phil McAvity

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 08:03 PM

I don't buy the "tax on the speedy". If you are speeding, you are speeding. They have a kmh leeway, and quite frankly, for every time you are caught, you probably got away with speeding 100 times.


Okay and the danger of speeding is.....??? I'm not talking about driving double the speed limit either, i'm talking about going 20-30% above the posted limit which is where the vast majority of people get speeding tickets. Sebberry's right, if speeding were the only law people broke (again, within reason) it would make virtually no difference to accident rates. ICBC and the cops would have a lot more credibility regarding speed limits if they weren't set counterintuitively and the corporation didn't make 30 million bucks a year off them.

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#16 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 08:18 PM

Okay and the danger of speeding is.....??? I'm not talking about driving double the speed limit either, i'm talking about going 20-30% above the posted limit which is where the vast majority of people get speeding tickets. Sebberry's right, if speeding were the only law people broke (again, within reason) it would make virtually no difference to accident rates. ICBC and the cops would have a lot more credibility regarding speed limits if they weren't set counterintuitively and the corporation didn't make 30 million bucks a year off them.

Safety my ass!


I agree that speed limits ought to be increased in many places, but I think it's good to have them. And if they do not ticket until 30% over, that's not a good system. Many accidents are cause by differential in speed between two cars going in the same direction, often in different lanes. If everyone was going pretty much the same speed, these crashes would be reduced.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 12:02 PM

Victoria receives $1,199560; Saanich receives $836,809; Oak Bay receives $215,942; Central Saanich receives $238,556; North Saanich receives $209,545; Sidney receives $206,036; and Islands Trust receives $84,018.

http://www.bclocalne...s/59479772.html


Interesting is how the cash splits. Why would Oak Bay get $12.75 per person and Saanich only $7.25? Victoria got $15 per person as did Central Saanich. North Saanich manages to get $18.25 per person.

So how are these numbers arrived at and why the variations?

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 02:26 PM

Interesting is how the cash splits. Why would Oak Bay get $12.75 per person and Saanich only $7.25? Victoria got $15 per person as did Central Saanich. North Saanich manages to get $18.25 per person.

So how are these numbers arrived at and why the variations?


Probably based on how many tickets are written in those areas?

I think the money should either be used for driver education programs or given back to the people who paid the fines so they can spend the money. Economic stimulus style :)

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