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#2001 rjag

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 06:25 AM

Those regulatory agencies are failing us obviously. You might want to stop dumping that talc powder down your underwear by the way....


Hehe always entertaining some of the comments here!

#2002 dasmo

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 07:17 AM

Hehe always entertaining some of the comments here!

Hilarious! “Facing thousands of lawsuits alleging that its talc caused cancer, J&J insists on the safety and purity of its iconic product. But internal documents examined by Reuters show that the company's powder was sometimes tainted with carcinogenic asbestos and that J&J kept that information from regulators and the public.”

https://www.reuters....johnson-cancer/

#2003 dasmo

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 07:25 AM

Interesting.

Do we know which food crops are being sprayed in Canada?


Wheat. And that will be a growing economic problem now if we don’t start to curtail its use.
“But a few months later, the world’s biggest pasta maker, Barilla, announced it would not use wheat containing more than 10 ppb glyphosate, 1,000 times below the EU limit, in its pasta. The company cited consumer demand for its decision.

But even before Italy announced this month that it will not ratify the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement between the EU and Canada, the country’s attitude was hardening toward wheat imports.

Citing Italians’ concern about food-safety standards, Italy has since February required country-of-origin labelling on all wheat and rice products sold there. Canada’s wheat exports to Italy have since slowed to a trickle.“
https://nowtoronto.c...-wheat-tainted/

#2004 tommy

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 08:03 PM

The courts have had the science presented to them and two cases have now set legal precedence that the Monsanto science is, well, Monsanto science.
Case 1 https://www.google.c...s-1069429?amp=1

Case 1 was a jury trial, a jury that ignored science and went with their feelings...



#2005 tommy

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 08:04 PM

I can’t see how anyone who has a care for the environment can vote for the liberal party. They will campaign on this abstract concept of solving our environmental woes with a carbon tax meanwhile they continue to approve the use of glyphosate in our environment? It’s not only proven to be cancer causing but spraying it in our forests is ridiculous. At this point I’m thinking a conservative gov with a Green opposition is our best option. https://www.national...te-cancer-fight

...more leaps of faith in this article than an Indiana Jones movie...I prefer science to enviro-reportage...


Edited by tommy, 12 May 2019 - 08:06 PM.


#2006 dasmo

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 12:00 PM

Case 1 was a jury trial, a jury that ignored science and went with their feelings...

Are you proposing that the prosecution did not present science?

#2007 Mattjvd

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 12:36 PM

Are you proposing that the prosecution did not present science?


Prosecution? It's a civil trail.

#2008 tommy

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 01:38 PM

Are you proposing that the prosecution did not present science?

...nope...just that if the majority of scientists say global warming is real and you can accept that...but when the majority of scientists say a registered pesticide is safe and you can't accept that...well something isn't right!...



#2009 dasmo

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 03:28 PM

Prosecution? It's a civil trail.

Sorry plaintiff....  



#2010 dasmo

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 04:05 PM

...nope...just that if the majority of scientists say global warming is real and you can accept that...but when the majority of scientists say a registered pesticide is safe and you can't accept that...well something isn't right!...

Can you link to the overwhelming global scientific opinion that Glyphosate is safe? 

 

The main thrust of the lawsuit is that the science used to support such claims has been manipulated by Monsanto. 

In essence:

-Monsanto markets Roundup weed killer as safe because its active ingredient, glyphosate, targets an enzyme found only in plants.
-Human microbiota (bacteria, fungi, etc.), mucous membranes and skin depend on the enzyme glyphosate targets.
-Health risks follow when glyphosate disrupts human microbiota.

Some science to back these claims: 

 

https://www.baumhedl...p-cancer-study/

 

The evidence of corruption by Monsanto:

https://www.baumhedl...cret-documents/



#2011 rjag

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 04:13 PM

Can you link to the overwhelming global scientific opinion that Glyphosate is safe? 

 

 

https://www.the-scie...se-cancer-30635

 

 

Long-term Study Finds That the Pesticide Glyphosate Does Not Cause Cancer The report provides evidence that goes against concerns that Monsanto’s popular herbicide, Roundup, is carcinogenic. 

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...undup-1.4975945

 

Health Canada stands by approval of ingredient in Roundup weed killer

 

 

https://sciencebased...oundup-lawsuit/

 

 

The Science Behind the Roundup Lawsuit

A jury has awarded a man $289 million for allegedly contracting cancer from exposure to Roundup, but the science is not on their side.

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/27015139

 

 

Systematic review and meta-analysis of glyphosate exposure and risk of lymphohematopoietic cancers.

a causal relationship has not been established between glyphosate exposure and risk of any type of LHC.

 


Edited by rjag, 13 May 2019 - 04:14 PM.


#2012 tommy

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 04:38 PM

Can you link to the overwhelming global scientific opinion that Glyphosate is safe? 

 

...no one can tell you gyphosate is safe...life isn't safe...crossing the street isn't safe if you do it while texting, with your earbuds in listening to Radiohead,...you probably meant to ask about scientific opinion as to acceptable risk...

 

...if so, read this and, if you want detailed info on the scientific research, feel free to ask the scientists at Health Canada...

 

 

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#2013 Mike K.

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 04:55 PM

When did Trudeau unmuzzle the scientists?

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#2014 dasmo

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 07:01 PM

^ Hardly unanimous or consensus from the scientific community.
A statement from someone saying the science is not on their side doesn’t make it so.
And thank you Tommy, you are starting to get it! Except one of the points of the lawsuit is that Monsanto IS saying it’s safe.
And like I said Health Canada is failing us....

Anyway long story short, Voting for the Liberal government is not a vote for the environment.

#2015 Mike K.

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 07:09 PM

CNN is reporting a couple were awarded $2 billion today, with $55 million in compensatory damage, due to Roundup exposure.

https://www-m.cnn.co...://www.cnn.com/

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#2016 dasmo

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 07:12 PM

CNN is reporting a couple were awarded $2 billion today, with $55 million in compensatory damage, due to Roundup exposure.

https://www-m.cnn.co...://www.cnn.com/

Nice! And as usual tommy:
“Bayer, the parent company of Monsanto, insists that glyphosate -- the key ingredient in Roundup -- is safe.”

#2017 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 07:12 PM

timely.

roundup exposure is touring with tinto rocks this summer.

#2018 lanforod

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:35 AM

^ Hardly unanimous or consensus from the scientific community.
A statement from someone saying the science is not on their side doesn’t make it so.
And thank you Tommy, you are starting to get it! Except one of the points of the lawsuit is that Monsanto IS saying it’s safe.
And like I said Health Canada is failing us....

Anyway long story short, Voting for the Liberal government is not a vote for the environment.

 

Sounds to me like its 'hardy unanimous or consensus from the scientific community' that glyphosate is unsafe and carcinogenic either.



#2019 dasmo

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:29 AM

Sounds to me like its 'hardy unanimous or consensus from the scientific community' that glyphosate is unsafe and carcinogenic either.

No but it’s a start. More importantly, as with any chemical product that ends up in our food supply, the burden is on the manufacturer to prove it is safe. These court cases are showing that they knew it was unsafe and conspired to hide it. Thus the 2 billion dollar verdict. That’s punishment for being criminal.
That our government ignores this and has approved this product for another 15 years shows they have no concern for people and are regulating for the sake of industry. They would rather tax the middle class more in the name of climate change instead of taking real action that will affect real things. Even if it was the safest thing on earth for humans, spraying it in the forest kills the ecosystem of the forest. How can anyone with a scientific brain think that is good for the long term. From an industry standpoint the same thing applies. It will cost more in the long run to manage the forest because, well, it will need to be managed. They do just fine on their own. Even if they are logged bit by bit.

#2020 dasmo

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 05:15 AM

More on the spraying of Glyphosate on our forests and how that contributes to our growing forest fire problems.

“When aspen and other broadleaves are allowed to flourish, they form "natural fuel breaks" if their leaves are out, according to Lori Daniels, a professor of forest ecology at the University of B.C. That's why aspen stands are often referred to as "asbestos forests" in wildfire science circles.

A forests ministry spokesperson said the government recognizes that aspen and other deciduous trees can help reduce the wildfire threat to communities, and that in the future, more thought will be put into planting broadleaf trees near homes and businesses.”
https://www.google.c...a/amp/1.4907358

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