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#2201 spanky123

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 07:37 PM

Keep the youngsters worried about how co2 is going to destroy the world and then maybe they won't ask the really hard questions like will they have affordable health care, social programs and a pension when they get older.


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#2202 Mike K.

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 10:22 AM

Headline: The Northern Hemisphere just had its warmest summer on record since 1880 (https://nationalpost...cord-since-1880)

First paragraph: NOAA found the average global surface temperature taken by thousands of thermometers, buoys and other sensors on land and sea tied with that of 2016 for the top spot, with a temperature anomaly of 2.03 degrees (1.13 Celsius) above the 20th-century average.

Take-away: “just” had its warmest summer? But it tied 2016.

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#2203 shoeflack

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 12:26 PM

Headline: The Northern Hemisphere just had its warmest summer on record since 1880 (https://nationalpost...cord-since-1880)

First paragraph: NOAA found the average global surface temperature taken by thousands of thermometers, buoys and other sensors on land and sea tied with that of 2016 for the top spot, with a temperature anomaly of 2.03 degrees (1.13 Celsius) above the 20th-century average.

Take-away: “just” had its warmest summer? But it tied 2016.

 

The article answers your question if you read a bit further.

 

"Using some of the same data but separate methods of analysis, NASA found the Northern Hemisphere’s summer months were the planet’s warmest such period on record, beating out 2016 by a small margin."



#2204 Mike K.

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 12:41 PM

So why did the Washington Post (who wrote that piece) not use the NASA data in the first place, but instead lead with a paragraph that doesn't correspond with the headline, and bury the NASA paragraph deep down in the abyss?


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#2205 LJ

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 07:37 PM

Electric industries dirty secret...

 

https://www.rnz.co.n...-boosts-warming


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#2206 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 03:04 PM

A group of young Canadians is pledging not to have children until the government takes action against climate change.

 

Alienor Rougeot, a University of Toronto student and Climate Strike Canada organizer, is now among those participating in a birth strike.

 

"This pledge is an emotional pledge for me," the 20 year old explained.

 

"I would only think about having children in five to 10 years, and by then … the crisis will be fully unraveling I would say."

 

Rougeot said she "can't imagine putting an innocent child into" a world of extreme weather conditions, food shortages caused by unhealthy soil and mass migration caused by resource wars.

She's also concerned about the spread of illnesses, such as Lyme disease in Canada.

 

"The world is so unsafe… but it's going into a more unsafe space, and we have scientific models to show that," she said.

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...-kids-1.5284940

 

 

the world is so unsafe?  it's the safest it's been in human history.  war and famine and poverty are at an all time low.

 

also you won't have kids but you support up to 1 million immigrants into canada each year?  how does that square?


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#2207 spanky123

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 05:12 PM

^ Great news, a couple of generations and the 'progressives' will be extinct!


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#2208 spanky123

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 05:13 PM

The article answers your question if you read a bit further.

 

"Using some of the same data but separate methods of analysis, NASA found the Northern Hemisphere’s summer months were the planet’s warmest such period on record, beating out 2016 by a small margin."

 

And the southern hemisphere was 2.03 degrees cooler?!



#2209 Ismo07

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 12:00 PM

And the southern hemisphere was 2.03 degrees cooler?!

But that's not the coolest period on record.  I don't think everyone is saying that temperatures just go up and that's it, there will always be fluctuations but in my 35+ years just in Victoria, aren't temps going up.  I'm not saying what's to blame but overall it's increasing, I'm not sure that can be argued.  Winters certainly are milder.



#2210 Mike K.

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 12:04 PM

But if we're talking about fractions of a degree when discussing the negative implications of warming, a full 2 degrees cooler is a massive decrease.


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#2211 Ismo07

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 02:29 PM

But if we're talking about fractions of a degree when discussing the negative implications of warming, a full 2 degrees cooler is a massive decrease.

Is it? 2 degrees cooler yes but I'd have to see the fluctuations and that pattern.  If it was a full 2 degrees colder than it ever was (recorded)?  Then that's a big deal.  2 degrees warmer than ever (recorded) is a massive increase to the hottest ever (recorded).  Can't be massive one way if not massive the other.  The key here for me is the highest ever.

 

I haven't seen the numbers if it's true there might be something to it.  I'm not panicking but looking on with the interest.



#2212 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 03:44 AM

well the capital has now simply declared climate change as fact.  too bad for a new publication.

 

So, as hotter weather and more prolonged droughts come to Southern Vancouver Island, is the West Shore’s ongoing building boom unwittingly packing a tinderbox? 

 

 

https://capnews.ca/c...astrophic-fire/

 

on the actual subject of the article it goes on and on about langford and fires but then says:

 

According to the Perrakis, the risk of a Fort McMurray-sized catastrophic fire striking Langford is “possible, but not likely.” That’s because, although geography matters, so too does fuel and the risk of ignition. 

 

Unlike its fire-ravaged neighbours in tinder-dry Alberta, the forests around Langford are more like wood that’s been left in the rain for weeks. The boreal forests of Alberta consist of old, dry, hardwoods like Jack Pine or Balsam Fir, which light more easily. Langford, on the other hand, has fairly young, soft, rainforests of Red Cedar and Western Hemlock. “It’s quite difficult actually in a standing forest to light a fire,” says Perrakis.

 

Spontaneous ignitions, like when lightning strikes a tree and creates a spark, are also rare. Langford can go a whole summer with only a single lightning storm. That means there’s no real way for a fire to start naturally. “Occasionally we’ll get a few stray strikes and they’ll occasionally start fires but thankfully for us we don’t have a major ignition hazard,” explains Perrakis. 

 

That’s not to say there’s no risk. Caven notes there have been a few incidents of fires starting after people improperly extinguished campfires or threw cigarette butts into dry grass. One man even started a grass fire while mowing his lawn after a rock ricocheted through his mower. “Predicting fires, especially large and damaging fires, is tricky,” says Perrakis. “Fire is an extremely dynamic process.”

 

 

https://capnews.ca/c...astrophic-fire/

 

so what's the point of the article in the first place?

 

this is also curious:

 

The number of fires on the Vancouver Island coast has already grown steadily over the past half decade from 90 in 2011 to more than 290 in 2018. According to Caven, the Langford Fire Department responds to between two and ten call-outs a day. “As a growing city we’re getting busier and busier,” he says.

 

Langford has spent much of the last 15 years as Canada’s fastest growing municipality, but it has not similarly boasted Canada’s fastest growing fire department. In fact, this city of 35,000 still puts out its fires largely with volunteers. The vast majority (more than 75 percent) of Langford Fire personnel are volunteers and, according to Caven, it’s becoming more difficult to recruit them. 

 

 

the first paragraph says "vancouver island coast" but the linked stats from the government say "coastal". only an area about 10,000 times larger than langford.

 

this is the map of the coastal fire zone:

 

screenshot-www2.gov.bc.ca-2019.09.20-07_54_24.png

 

from:  https://www2.gov.bc....se/fire-centres

 

also 2 to 10 call-outs per day big deal.  what's the comparable from say saanich?  and these call-outs are mostly for car crashes and medical etc.


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#2213 Mike K.

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 03:56 AM

Back to the “it’s all Langford’s fault” thing.
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Posted 20 September 2019 - 11:49 AM

Today's climate protest that was supposed to have drawn thousands of protestors to the Legislature lawn.

 

As of 12:45PM:

 

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#2215 rjag

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 12:25 PM

500 maybe in that picture?



#2216 RFS

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 12:47 PM

Now imagine it without all the funding, marketing, endless free media publicity, school involvement, etc. Its the definition of fake manufactured opposition.
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#2217 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 01:12 PM

Now imagine it without all the funding, marketing, endless free media publicity, school involvement, etc. Its the definition of fake manufactured opposition.

 

kids just took the day off.  as usual.

 

you know it was tim ball that said it very well a few years back.  he said he'd go into school classes and ask the kids to raise their hands if they were against climate change caused by automobiles.  every kids raises his hand.  then he'd wait a bit so as to not have the kids catch on but later he'd ask them "how many of you plan to own a car when you are an adult" (or something similar) and 95% of the kids would of course raise their hands too.


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#2218 Ismo07

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 01:26 PM

Today's climate protest that was supposed to have drawn thousands of protestors to the Legislature lawn.

 

As of 12:45PM:

 

protest.jpg

Well it's pretty hot today so it's better they are staying out of the sun.



#2219 Dinya

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 02:29 PM

 

 

Today's climate protest that was supposed to have drawn thousands of protestors to the Legislature lawn

 

Maybe if it had actually been part of the global protest going on across the world there would be more people there.  But apparently because of Quebec, this is just a "die-in" and Canada is protesting full next Friday.  Will be interesting to see what numbers show up then.

 

Incredibly stupid not to change the day to coincide with the rest of the planet.



#2220 marks_28

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 03:27 PM

you know it was tim ball that said it very well a few years back.  he said he'd go into school classes and ask the kids to raise their hands if they were against climate change caused by automobiles.  every kids raises his hand.  then he'd wait a bit so as to not have the kids catch on but later he'd ask them "how many of you plan to own a car when you are an adult" (or something similar) and 95% of the kids would of course raise their hands too.

 

It's also possible to own a car, but not use it as your primary form of transportation. It is pretty hard for a lot of us to get by with biking, busing or walking everywhere, as some trips simply require a car. But that doesn't mean we can't use those methods for most of our trips, and then take out our car when we absolutely need to, maybe once a week or so.



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