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#2481 LJ

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 08:04 PM

This guy wants to encourage euthanasia for climate activists who want to do the right thing.



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#2482 Nparker

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 10:18 PM

I am pretty sure MAID was never intended as a solution to the "climate crisis". It's rather distasteful that someone should try to conflate the issues.

#2483 Mattjvd

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 01:51 PM

The heat island effect also requires more cooling.

I know the common sense thinking is that cities are more efficient, but they’re actually not. Per-capita energy use is lower in rural areas. Urbanization yields more energy consumption per person and far, far more consumption. This is a global phenomenon.

Keep in mind though that we’re talking about urban areas which contain everything from micro suites to 20,000 square foot mansions.

Ah, I should say I was speaking about Canada specificlly. You're quite right that this is a global phenomenon, places like China and India do have higher per capital energy use for urban residents. Access to energy comsuming appliances and electronics is far higher in their cities and the heat island effect is a net comsumer of electricity in their climates.
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#2484 LJ

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 07:30 PM

The dark side of the Nordic model...



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Posted 06 December 2019 - 07:31 PM

Why the left loves a climate crisis...



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#2486 spanky123

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Posted 07 December 2019 - 09:13 AM

^ This is really no different than another other "cause". What starts as a worthwhile endeavour is quickly consumed by more powerful activists who usurp the message and audience for their own purposes.


Eventually what happens is that they alienate the public and lose broad support. After they have destroyed the message and cause they move on to the next opportunity.


Does anyone think that AOC, the "squad" and Greta will be still bleating the same message a decade from now? Of course not. Like Al Gore they will have made their millions, sold their fame and have joined the capitalist class that they so loudly protested against.

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Posted 07 December 2019 - 03:08 PM

Oh Greta...

“Fossil fuels are literally choking the life from us,” Thunberg continued. “That action must be powerful and wide-ranging. After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities.”


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#2488 rjag

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Posted 07 December 2019 - 04:14 PM

Oh Greta...



And who's surprised? Of course these are the words of a 16 year old and in no way was she manipulated by other people with an agenda that has less to do with climate and more to do with anti-capitalism, white patriarchal misogyny etc...Does this remind you of some member of our local councils and their bike riding choir?

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#2489 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 06:22 AM

i for one enjoy the hypocrisy.




At its June 2019 meeting, the Greater Victoria Board of Education passed a motion recognizing the climate emergency, and committing to develop a plan in alignment with the United Nations targets to keep warming at or below 1.5 degrees. This was significant, as this was the first school district to declare an emergency in all of Canada.

Committing to meet the UN targets, outlined in the latest report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, means reducing emissions by 45 per cent by the year 2030 and to zero by 2050. This will take extensive efforts.


Unfortunately, the total emissions reported for the district in 2018, 4868 tonnes, are actually higher than the emissions from both 2015 and 2016. Emissions have plateaued and are not improving, despite required planning and reporting to the province.


The majority of the emissions in relation to a school district come from three places — school buildings, transportation of students and employees to and from schools and district offices, and the embodied emissions of all the equipment used for the operation of the district. So these are the areas that need to be addressed, to make significant carbon reductions.


To get a sense of how challenging meeting the targets will be, consider only the school buildings. The district owns and maintains 44 schools plus the district office and facilities building. To reduce the emissions from these buildings by 45 per cent by 2030 would mean full retrofits to zero carbon of 20 buildings in the next 10 years, or two buildings per year.


This is a significant undertaking, but to actually meet the targets, this is what must be done.


And yet, the district has not conducted a review of their next major renovation of Victoria High School, in order to consider climate impacts. The current renovation plans include no substantive attention to the emissions profile of the building, and even involve leaving the existing old, inefficient windows in place.


Simple, cost effective, but important, changes are not happening. For example, the City of Victoria, as part of its climate leadership plan, is offering rebates for residents to upgrade oil boilers to heat pumps. They recognize that many people choose gas for their upgrade, but this decision locks in much higher emissions for decades into the future. It is not a pathway that will lead to adequate emissions reductions. Yet the school district last year updated their old oil boilers with gas – another fossil fuel. It is no wonder that emissions for the district have plateaued.

It is five months since the climate emergency motion was passed. However, the school board appears to have done almost nothing to implement the motion, other than sending a letter to other school districts urging them to pass similar motions. Our letter to the superintendent requesting plan details went unanswered.



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#2490 Mike K.

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 06:50 AM

Speaking of emissions, fans of the carbon tax tell us emissions are decreasing in BC, but calculations do not take externalities into account (such as our Chinese-built bridge and the German, Polish and Romanian-built ferries).

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#2491 rjag

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 07:17 AM

Tara Ehrcke is a well known teacher activist who served on the local teacher union local. She's typical of the folks that step out of their lane in Victoria these days.


Some of her work or where she is quoted






Faro Sullivan is a well known expert in the management of building infrastructure with a focus on energy retrofit applied through a logistical and fiscal lens


Faro Annie Sullivan holds an Honours BA in Folklore from Memorial University of Newfoundland. Her poetry and non-fiction have been published in literary journals and magazines across Canada and the United States. She sings with the award winning vocal ensemble the Balkan Babes. She currently runs her ceramics studio, Dirty Girl Clayworks, from which she mainly wholesales to galleries and stores in BC and Newfoundland. As well, she teaches pottery classes at Cedar Hill Recreation Centre and is the ceramics technician for Camosun College's Visual Arts program.



Arent we lucky to have such knowledgeable talent walking among us? Advising as to how to run multi-million $ distributed operations involving thousands of moving parts....

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Posted Today, 09:49 AM




Exxon Mobil Corp. won a closely watched securities-fraud trial that delved into its internal accounting for the financial risks of climate change, a striking rejection of New York state’s claim that the company misled investors for years.

The ruling Tuesday by New York Supreme Court Justice Barry Ostrager in Manhattan is a blow to the state’s attorney general, Letitia James, who accused the energy company of lying about its use of a “proxy cost” for carbon to account for future climate-change regulations.

“The office of the Attorney General failed to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that ExxonMobil made any material misstatements or omissions about its practices and procedures that misled any reasonable investor,” Ostrager wrote in a 55-page ruling. The AG “produced no testimony either from any investor who claimed to have been misled by any disclosure,” the judge said.

Exxon said in a statement that the ruling affirmed that the company gave its investors “accurate information on the risks of climate change” and that New York “failed to make a case even with the extremely low threshold of the Martin Act in its favor.”

New York’s Martin Act empowers officials to target a wide range of corporate behavior that could hurt shareholders. While New York claimed Exxon intentionally misled shareholders, under the act it didn’t have to prove intent to win, or that any investors were misled.



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