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#1661 LJ

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 08:12 PM

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#1662 Mike K.

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 09:05 PM

Hey, at least he's being honest.


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#1663 sebberry

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 10:12 PM

We must be edging up to what, 2% of global emissions now?


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#1664 Mike K.

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 08:04 AM

Yup. And under Trudeau's plan the big institutional polluters won’t pay the same amount of tax consumers pay in order to allow them to remain globally competitive.

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#1665 spanky123

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 10:00 AM

Hey, at least he's being honest.

 

Well I think that we have to do our part even if it is insignificant. Where the issues lies is that he wants to pile costs onto Canadian businesses when the big polluters aren't actually doing anything.



#1666 Laszlow

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 10:57 AM

Surely everyone has seen this???

https://www.youtube....M&feature=share


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#1667 Wayne

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 11:21 AM

Laszlow, on 25 Oct 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

Surely everyone has seen this???

https://www.youtube....M&feature=share

Never have but very informative.


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#1668 Laszlow

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 04:47 PM

Never have but very informative.

 

I worked for 6 years running an environmental biotechnology lab at one of the better universities in the field in Canada.

 

All PhDs. wall-to-wall. Hundreds and hundreds of papers authored.

I would sit and ask nonchalantly about the climate crisis ... Well, I really never ever got the word "crisis" out before one or a half dozen would berate me for being a raging idiot! I learned not to ask serious scientists shit that Suzuki or Gore or the media spout.

 


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#1669 spanky123

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 05:29 PM

If Trudeau's carbon tax simply taxed polluters and rewarded those who did not evenly then that would be one thing. Instead it is being used as a social justice tool to redistribute income to the lower tiers. I could save 100x as much CO2 as someone with a low income and yet they would get a rebate and I would not. Hard to see any such plan as anything other than social engineering.


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#1670 Mystic-Pizza

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 05:42 PM

I am a non-believer in a "Global Warming Crisis"

 

Climate change, yes of course, as the climate is always changing and never stops changing......ever.

 

29,.000 square km of sea ice per day may melt every Summer up in the Arctic, but 29,000 square km of sea ice  per day also re-freezes every winter in the arctic.

 

Global warming alarmists don't want people to know this. 

 

Every season when the sea ice melts, the water just circulates naturally around the globe and eventually at some point works its way right back up to the arctic.  This can be done through natural currents, through weather systems and cloud formation where the water then falls back to earth as rain etc. 

 

Co2 is only demonized by global warming alarmists for a political agenda, and to generate Trillions via various means.....one being of course carbon taxing. When in reality Co2 is a wonderful thing that gives life to everything on this planet. As a matter of fact your average volcanic eruption will release more Co2 into the atmosphere of earth then every car and truck on the planet would in 1,000 years. Yet we are all still here, and we are all still perfectly fine. Heck Co2 makes up less then 4% of greenhouse gasses as a whole, yet we are made to believe by global warming alarmists that Co2 on it's own is our biggest enemy and is causing a global warming crisis.

 

The key to understanding our earth's climate, is to understand the history of earth's climate. Once you research climate history, then the lie and deception of a global warming crisis will be exposed for what it is. 

 

Our earth was on average 2 degrees warmer then it is today not even that long ago (as within 1,000 years) and then we are made to believe by global warming alarmists that an increase in our earth's average temperature by 2 degrees today will result in catastrophic events such as the fictional idea of the polar ice caps melting and causing our sea levels to rise to dangerous levels etc. Earth has already been this 2 degrees warmer and nothing happened. People lived, they went about their business as usual and eventually the earth cooled down by 2 degrees to where we are today.



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Posted 12 November 2018 - 07:58 AM

https://calgaryheral...obox=1542031632

 

 

There are too many polar bears in parts of Nunavut and climate change hasn’t yet affected any of them, says a draft management plan from the territorial government that contradicts much of conventional scientific thinking.

 

 

Hows Ben and Lisa going to square this circle? In the spirit of reconciliation and UNDRIP on one side and the 'science is settled' and Gore/Di Caprio on the other....

 

Maybe Ben will take his plastic kayak and paddle it around Hudson Bay for a few weeks at the height of Polar Bear Season to show support for the Polar Bears 


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#1672 nerka

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 10:58 PM


As a matter of fact your average volcanic eruption will release more Co2 into the atmosphere of earth then every car and truck on the planet would in 1,000 years.

That's about as wrong as could be .  ALL volcanic eruptions in one year are estimated to emit about 2% of the CO2 that is emitted each year from human sources.  About 10% of human CO2 emissions are from "cars and trucks". Conservatively you are off by a factor of 50,000x or so.


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#1673 nerka

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 11:19 PM

Our earth was on average 2 degrees warmer then it is today not even that long ago (as within 1,000 years)

People who actually study this stuff find that recent years have been warmer than anything in the last 10,000 years. In the considerably more distant past there have been temperatures much warmer than today. For example in the Eocene 55-35 million years ago CO2 levels were higher, it was much warmer than today and there was no polar ice.

 


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#1674 lanforod

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 08:51 AM

That's about as wrong as could be .  ALL volcanic eruptions in one year are estimated to emit about 2% of the CO2 that is emitted each year from human sources.  About 10% of human CO2 emissions are from "cars and trucks". Conservatively you are off by a factor of 50,000x or so.

 

 

Yep https://www.skeptica...ntermediate.htm

Volcanoes emit CO2 both on land and underwater. Underwater volcanoes emit between 66 to 97 million tonnes of CO2 per year. However, this is balanced by the carbon sink provided by newly formed ocean floor lava. Consequently, underwater volcanoes have little effect on atmospheric CO2 levels. The greater contribution comes from subaerial volcanoes (subaerial means "under the air", referring to land volcanoes). Subaerial volcanoes are estimated to emit 242 million tonnes of CO2 per year (Mörner and Etiope (2002)).

In contrast, humans are currently emitting around 29 billion tonnes of CO2 per year (EIA). Human CO2 emissions are over 100 times greater than volcanic CO2 emissions. This is apparent when comparing atmospheric CO2 levels to volcanic activity since 1960. Even strong volcanic eruptions such as Pinatubo, El Chicon and Agung had little discernable impact on CO2 levels. In fact, the rate of change of CO2 levels actually drops slightly after a volcanic eruption, possibly due to the cooling effect of aerosols.

 


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#1675 LJ

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 07:50 PM

The cash pipeline opposing oil pipelines...

 

https://business.fin...n-oil-pipelines


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 08:07 PM

The cash pipeline opposing oil pipelines...

 

https://business.fin...n-oil-pipelines

 

Ms Krause does some very good research. The enviro lobby hate her because she unmasks the agenda at play


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#1677 Mike K.

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 11:36 AM

The International Energy Agency (IEA) has in recent years become an increasingly schizophrenic organization. As both a source of energy information and a shill for the UN’s climate-focused sustainable development agenda, it has to talk up the “transition to a low-carbon future” while simultaneously reporting that it’s not happening. But it will!

This report should be profoundly embarrassing to the Liberal government of Justin Trudeau, which has virtue-signalled itself to the front of a parade that is going nowhere, although it can certainly claim genuine leadership in the more forceful route to transition: killing the fossil fuel industry by edict.


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#1678 shoeflack

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 11:45 AM

For what it's worth, the above opinion piece is written by Peter Foster, a man with very deep ties to the petroleum industry. Didn't see that anywhere in the opinion piece, but it helps to contextualize where Foster's perspective comes from.



#1679 Mike K.

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 12:24 PM

The guys actually a pretty good writer. I get a chuckle out of his pieces.

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 03:10 PM

My favourite tweet of the day:

 

"Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?"

 

The random capitalization and shouty caps should give you a hint as to the author.  He's a HUUUGE deal... :whyme:  :thumbsup:



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