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#1721 Nparker

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 09:53 AM

A sensible editorial from the TC today.

Local governments in B.C. have to bring climate change into their long-term planning, but suing fossil-fuel companies to recover costs would be a waste of time and money...Fighting Big Oil would be many times harder [than the Tobacco Litigation], not only because of its immense resources but because just about everyone in the world is complicit in the use of fossil fuels. Assessing responsibility would be a moral and legal nightmare. Some battles are worth fighting, no matter how difficult. This one isn’t.

https://www.timescol...suit-1.23599080

 


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#1722 Jackerbie

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 12:11 PM

^ I mean just look at the recent Fortis natural gas disruption. The City of Victoria (as well as many other public institutions) publicly proclaimed their efforts to conserve energy. There was a significant campaign across the province to convince people to turn down their thermostats, take shorter showers, etc. Now that the supply is back, has the City turned up the heat?



#1723 spanky123

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 12:43 PM

Got a chuckle from this regarding Helps' letters asking for climate money:

 

https://torontosun.c...e-soon#comments

 

 

The letter says global warming could eventually threaten some edible plant bulbs in a Victoria green space and that Venezuela should send Victoria money to help save the meadow that’s ringed with million-dollar homes. Victoria City Hall and the people of Venezuela both have an interest in roots. While those in Victoria enjoy the view of the urban flora from their verandas, the people of Venezuela are foraging for roots in forests because they are starving


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#1724 dasmo

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 01:02 PM

This is just embarrassing.... go ahead and protest etc but doing this on company time and letterhead? I’m writing a letter to the city asking for wasting time compensation!

#1725 spanky123

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 01:03 PM

What does a Climate Emergency Declaration mean? Does it trigger special powers to the CRD? I really get concerned that the word 'emergency' is used without an understanding of what actions or powers the CRD would implement or develop.

 

Checked on some of the "plans" that Ned's cities in England is looking at in order to meet their "emergency declaration" requirements:

 

1. Retrofit hundreds of thousands homes to make them more energy efficient

2. Remove all carbon from the energy grid

3. Replace all heating systems with heat pumps

4. Eliminate gas and diesel from fueling stations

 

Best of all, cities can do this without raising taxes!


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#1726 LeoVictoria

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:41 PM

Waste of time to ask for money for sure, but the climate doesn’t care about politics. We can certainly throw all climate change mitigation attempts out the window but then we just have to deal with more severe climate change. The consensus is that will be a lot more expensive in the long run.
I guess paying to rebuild after extreme weather feels better to people than paying taxes.
And it feels even better when it’s not you but your kids bearing most of the cost. Kick the can down the road as usual.

Edited by LeoVictoria, 15 January 2019 - 04:42 PM.


#1727 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:45 PM

We can certainly throw all climate change mitigation attempts out the window but then we just have to deal with more severe climate change. 

 

most of the rest of the world is not pitching in to mitigate so it's not worth doing our bit.  our bit won't help save our own region.



#1728 spanky123

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:49 PM

^ Sorry but ever since the "experts" told us that machines would stop working on Jan 1, 2000 and Al Gore told us that we would all be swimming by 2010 I have been skeptical of all claims made by people with vested financial interests in their outcomes.


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#1729 Mike K.

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:50 PM

The US cut carbon emissions multiple times that of Canada already. We’re a feather in the wind. If the south Island thinks it’ll have an effect on global climate that’s setting us up for extreme failure.

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#1730 dasmo

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:50 PM

Doing something is worth it. This letter writing is political posturing and not only a waste of time and money, it's embarrassing. Spend the time crafting a policy to encourage more EV charging facilities in new builds. Anything but this! 



#1731 spanky123

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:51 PM

most of the rest of the world is not pitching in to mitigate so it's not worth doing our bit.  our bit won't help save our own region.

 

24+% of greenhouse gas emissions come from livestock while 20% come from areas that we might have some control over in Victoria. https://www.epa.gov/...-emissions-data



#1732 LeoVictoria

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:51 PM

most of the rest of the world is not pitching in to mitigate so it's not worth doing our bit. our bit won't help save our own region.


Actually lots of effort going into this. Only works if everyone does it though. And if developing countries are developed countries (the worst offenders per capital by far) not doing their part they definitely won’t

#1733 LeoVictoria

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:53 PM

^ Sorry but ever since the "experts" told us that machines would stop working on Jan 1, 2000 and Al Gore told us that we would all be swimming by 2010 I have been skeptical of all claims made by people with vested financial interests in their outcomes.


Always funny to hear extreme skepticism of science and not a hint of an issue with oil industry funded denials.
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#1734 rjag

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:56 PM

Always funny to hear extreme skepticism of science and not a hint of an issue with oil industry funded denials.

 

But the same folks that scream the sky is falling with climate change deny the science around GMO foods....



#1735 Jackerbie

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:57 PM

Doing something is worth it. This letter writing is political posturing and not only a waste of time and money, it's embarrassing. Spend the time crafting a policy to encourage more EV charging facilities in new builds. Anything but this! 

 

Or just take Richmond's bylaw which requires 100% of residential parking spaces to have EV charging. Bam.



#1736 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 05:04 PM

Actually lots of effort going into this. Only works if everyone does it though. And if developing countries are developed countries (the worst offenders per capital by far) not doing their part they definitely won’t


I’d rather see people in developing countries live like us. I’m sure they’d like to as well.

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#1737 spanky123

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 05:06 PM

Or just take Richmond's bylaw which requires 100% of residential parking spaces to have EV charging. Bam.

 

And how does that save any greenhouse gas emissions? Is the primary factor in deciding which vehicle to buy the availability of charging at your condo or apartment?

 

This is the problem with many Mayors and councils. They bleat about how they are going to save the environment but then offer little to no tangible ways of doing it other than motherhood statements.



#1738 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 05:22 PM

Or just take Richmond's bylaw which requires 100% of residential parking spaces to have EV charging. Bam.


That’s actually pretty wasteful and drives up housing costs. why not just insist new homebuyers drive electric car?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 15 January 2019 - 05:22 PM.


#1739 LeoVictoria

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 06:24 PM

The US cut carbon emissions multiple times that of Canada already. We’re a feather in the wind. If the south Island thinks it’ll have an effect on global climate that’s setting us up for extreme failure.

Every area is insignificant on a global scale. If Bejing ceased all their CO2 emissions tomorrow it wouldn’t put a dent in the problem either.

A global problem requires a global solution. Sort of like vaccinations. Sure you can opt out as an individual, but the vast majority need to opt in to maintain the benefit of herd immunity

Edited by LeoVictoria, 15 January 2019 - 06:24 PM.


#1740 LeoVictoria

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 06:26 PM

But the same folks that scream the sky is falling with climate change deny the science around GMO foods....


Not me. But I agree that anti-science folks are rampant on both sides. The anti-vaxxers and people aftraid of wifi and smart meters seem to be more left on the political spectrum. Just as deluded though.
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