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#2241 Hotel Mike

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Posted 17 August 2022 - 01:54 PM

My thinking isn't quite so devious spanky, but you may have a strong point there.


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Don't be so sure.:cool:

#2242 pontcanna

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Posted 18 August 2022 - 05:28 AM

Please, government, give us amalgamation

Esquimalt is absolutely right to dissolve the agreement. They, along with Victoria, bear a disproportionate responsibility for policing Greater ­Victoria, yet all the adjoining ­municipalities benefit from a vibrant Victoria.

I do not understand what opposing argument the government could have other than political calculation. It is time for provincial government to get beyond self-serving decisions and to provide real leadership.

Both provincial parties need to step up.

Charron Hamilton
Victoria


Capital region policing needs one department

If the recent horrific incident on Shelbourne Street isn’t enough for local councils and the provincial government to recognize that the municipal boundaries drawn up more than 100 years ago don’t provide the best model for policing, I don’t have much hope that it will happen in my lifetime.

I worked for 27.5 years in the Saanich PD and two years in the RCMP before that. I have worked in an integrated unit, major crime and fraud sections where the investigations cross municipal borders frequently.

The only way forward is to create one police service for Greater Victoria. Going backward in time is not possible, and I think irresponsible. As is often the case, these decisions are being made by those who have never been on the front lines or entered a life- threatening situation.

Steven Irwin, retired sergeant
Saanich Police


Police amalgamation and the search for a pony

The fact that the forced union (i.e. amalgamation) of VicPD and the former Esquimalt police service is seen as a failure by the smaller partner gives the chief hope that the time is right to take the concept to an even greater level.

Talk about optimism.

I am reminded of Ronald Reagan’s story of the kid who thought “there must be a pony in here somewhere.”

Mark Muth
Saanich
 
More: https://www.timescol...eliable-5711163
 

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#2243 Mike K.

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Posted 18 August 2022 - 06:04 AM

Charron knows what is up.

Know it all.
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#2244 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 18 August 2022 - 08:47 PM

Is this much different than that downtown bartender that has been charged?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VicPD officer commits discreditable conduct, OPCC finds

 

Hearing into Sgt. Brent Keleher’s actions related to sexual encounter in Vancouver in 2018

 

On the evening of May 12, Keleher and two friends, met N.O. and her friend at the Shark Club on West Georgia Street in downtown Vancouver. The group went on to two additional clubs that night, Dublin Calling and The Roxy.

 

“It would be an understatement to say that a considerable amount of alcohol was consumed by everyone,” Oppal wrote.

 

The group, including Keleher and N.O., left The Roxy at around 2 a.m. before heading back to the hotel where the men were staying. The report states the women chose to stay in the room due to their high level of intoxication.

 

N.O. testified that although she doesn’t completely remember what occurred, she disagreed with any suggestion that she consented to sex and did remember Keleher making advancements.

 

Keleher doesn’t deny the sexual encounter happened, but his testimony is dramatically different, saying that N.O. not only consented, but was an enthusiastic participant.

 

“I find that Sgt. Keleher was, at the very least, reckless as to whether N.O. consented to the sexual act,” Oppal wrote.

 

“Surely it must have been apparent to him, as an experienced officer, that she was clearly vulnerable. Accordingly I must reject his position that she was an equal and consenting participant in the sexual encounter.”

 

Oppal found that Keleher’s belief that consent had been given by N.O. was mistaken, not an honest belief, given that it appeared N.O. was “barely aware of her circumstances during the relevant time.”

 

Black Press Media has contacted VicPD to ask whether the decision will prompt further steps to be taken.

 

https://www.vicnews....uct-opcc-finds/


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 18 August 2022 - 08:49 PM.


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Posted 19 August 2022 - 09:03 AM

Just based on that, its clear he was drunk too, no?



#2246 pontcanna

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 09:39 AM

More details from CHEK:

 

"N.O. testified she does not fully remember what happened, though remembers someone touching her breasts and something being put inside her vagina. She says Keleher pulled her arm back and onto his penis. She says she did not consent to this. 

Keleher does not deny a sexual encounter took place, but says N.O. consented and was a “passionate” participant. He says they were kissing passionately and he was stimulating her vagina with his fingers. According to Keleher, she was moaning and she reached over to touch his penis, then he came to the conclusion things had gone too far and he withdrew.

“I find that Sgt. Keleher was, at the very least, reckless as to whether N.O. consented to the sexual act,” Oppal wrote. “Surely it must have been apparent to him, as an experienced officer, that she was clearly vulnerable. Accordingly I must reject his position that she was an equal and consenting participant in the sexual encounter.”

“As well, from the whole of the evidence, It appears that she was barely aware of her circumstances during the relevant time,” Oppal wrote. “If Sgt. Keleher believed that N.O. consented to the sexual contact, that belief could not be honestly held on a consideration on the whole of the circumstances. An honest belief in consent cannot be based on a guess or assumption.”

Keleher had made an application to the OPCC for his name to be redacted from the proceedings, which was denied.

 

In 2010, Keleher was also one of two officers charged with assault relating to the arrest of two brothers in October 2009, according to CBC, though the charges were later dropped."
 
 


#2247 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 09:40 AM

Just based on that, its clear he was drunk too, no?


Is that a defence?

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 09:45 AM

IANAL, but seems to me that would factor into his decision making.

 

If two people incapable of consent have sex with each other... did both commit sexual assault?



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Posted 19 August 2022 - 09:52 AM

I believe technically, yes.

#2250 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 August 2022 - 05:40 AM

Capital Daily:


Outgoing Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps thinks the time for a regional police force covering parts of Greater Victoria has come.

"Common sense would dictate that we are a region—we do not need seven or 10 different policing arrangements; we need one and that's for cost effectiveness, that's for public safety, and it's for good governance."




Common sense would also dictate that we don’t need 13 municipalities. But here we are and it’s not changing soon.





Helps won’t be the one in the Victoria mayor’s chair when the policing question reaches its conclusion, but both of the candidates currently running to replace her—councillors Stephen Andrew and Marianne Alto—are also supportive of the idea.





Lobbying the province to impose it is not the best way forward.

The best way is to get buy-in from the other nearby municipalities.

But nobody in elected office has the talent. There might have been some hope with Horgan but he’s a lame duck. And Eby is not exactly anyones best friend.

Maybe he can appoint Helps as the Amalgamation Czar in November!

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 August 2022 - 05:45 AM.


#2251 Spy Black

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Posted 20 August 2022 - 06:19 AM

It's fine to contemplate a regional police force, but the elephant in the room for most folks in the CRD is the endless series of by-laws passed by Victoria Mayor and Council which enabled and encouraged the establishment of "islands of criminality and homelessness" in and around the City of Victoria proper, and which have absolutely nothing at all to do with those municipalities that didn't (and don't) contemplate such supportive actions aimed at the folks causing most of the issues VicPD have to deal with.

 

The greatest discrepancy in attitudes makes the best example, in that how the COV and Langford handle the criminal element couldn't be more different, and of course Langford doesn't have anywhere near the issues the COV does.

 

The argument that Victoria is a magnet for folks looking to party ignores the fact that the homeless, and the mentally ill don't generally travel to "party" ... rather they slowly gravitate to areas where their transient and often criminal lifestyle are tolerated or encouraged ... and that's been the City of Victoria for the past decade or so.

 

There's a very strong case to be made that the City of Victoria created its own policing problems, and is now simply reaping what its sewn ... while the remaining muni's and their vastly reduced tolerance for crime and criminal "squatting" have avoided the issues that now plague the COV.


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#2252 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 August 2022 - 06:24 AM

Exactly. Victoria has the lowest amount of nightclubs is has ever had, since at least the 70’s. The “party” factor is not the policing issue.
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Posted 20 August 2022 - 08:50 AM

If the CRD board ends up being the de facto police board, I would not support a regional police service. Needs more independence and further distance from municipal and regional politics.

Edited by lanforod, 20 August 2022 - 08:51 AM.

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Posted 21 August 2022 - 05:49 AM

Esquimalt’s frustration is well documented and understandable. It alone, among Greater Victoria’s dozen joined-at-the-hip-but-not-the-head municipalities, helps the City of Victoria shoulder the disproportionate cost of policing the region’s downtown, which, like downtowns everywhere, is where people from throughout the area flock to work, play, drink too much, buy drugs, protest and punch each other in the mouth.

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Budget quirks abound. Victoria complains about the cost of policing, but isn’t exactly volunteering to share the big whack of property taxes it gets from all those downtown businesses (or, for that matter, the $17 million it collects in parking fees and fines).

Esquimalt has very little commercial property to tax, but does enjoy an annual payment for CFB Esquimalt — $12.7 million this year — that amounts to one-third of its entire revenue (despite the fact that the base has its own military police, fire department, recreation facilities).



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#2255 Barrrister

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Posted 21 August 2022 - 06:03 AM

Victoria and the Province have both gone out of their way to create the problems downtown so let them pay for it. 


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#2256 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 21 August 2022 - 06:05 AM

In the end the taxpayer is paying.
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#2257 Barrrister

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Posted 21 August 2022 - 06:31 AM

Then let the CofV taxpayer suffer, they voted this council in repeatedly. 


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#2258 todd

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Posted 21 August 2022 - 06:36 AM

Or amalgamate the entire region police and council.
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#2259 todd

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Posted 21 August 2022 - 06:55 AM

Why not the Oak Bay model? Detective services are currently given to Saanich.

Instead of Saanich more regional teams, but everyday policing(security) is handled by the municipalities?

Edited by todd, 21 August 2022 - 07:01 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2022 - 06:03 PM

Island Mountie disciplined for sending inappropriate texts, memes to estranged wife

A Vancouver Island Mountie was docked 20 days' pay, ordered to receive counselling and recommended for a transfer after sending 45 inappropriate text messages to his estranged wife over a period of two years.

The discipline decision against Const. Josef Landrum was issued in January 2021, but wasn't published online until earlier this year, more than 12 months after it was reached.

Written by RCMP Conduct Board member Kevin Harrison, the decision does not specify which detachment Landrum worked for, but indicates that the misconduct took place "at or near Qualicum Beach, Nanaimo and Courtenay" between July 2017 and August 2019.

During those 25 months, Landrum sent the inappropriate messages, which included "internet memes of a sexual nature," despite his wife "repeatedly asking him to stop."

Among the aggravating factors were the fact that Landrum's misconduct was sexual in nature and the fact that it persisted despite repeated requests to stop.

Among the mitigating factors were that Landrum had sought treatment for diagnosed post-traumatic stress disorder and made "therapeutic gains" during treatment. He also had the support of his co-workers and had reconciled with his wife, Harrison wrote.
 

 



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