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#421 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 10:51 AM

If you read between the lines here, there is a suggestion that the seismic upgrade substantially increases the buildings sssessed value so it pays much more property tax after the work is carried out, and thus after the exemption ends.

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#422 Nparker

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 11:51 AM

If you read between the lines here, there is a suggestion that the seismic upgrade substantially increases the buildings assessed value so it pays much more property tax after the work is carried out, and thus after the exemption ends...

True, but that would happen even without the tax break. If the city had not approved the "tax holiday" are we to believe this project wouldn't have gone ahead? Surely the developer would simply have added the cost of the seismic upgrades onto the cost of the units (which is probably happening anyway).



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Posted 23 February 2018 - 12:10 PM

^ the point is that the CoV should give the same breaks and benefits to all market rate projects. If they didn't, developers could be more hesitant to take on these types of projects requiring seismic upgrades.



#424 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 12:20 PM

True, but that would happen even without the tax break. If the city had not approved the "tax holiday" are we to believe this project wouldn't have gone ahead?

 

It's hard to know because there is no identical control group to see what happens.  But simple economics says things happen, people buy (developers develop, in this case), when they are cheaper.


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#425 Nparker

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 12:23 PM

...But simple economics says things happen, people buy (developers develop, in this case), when they are cheaper.

But will these units be cheaper? Also, isn't only part of the project covered by the tax deferment?



#426 Mike K.

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 08:20 AM

The cost of these refurbished units tends to be much higher than a new-build. So one of the sales tactics is to remind buyers that they’re investing into refurbished heritage and will be rewarded for their investment. The developer does not benefit from the tax break save for any commercial units he retains, but I don’t know if the tax break applies to commercial units. And even then it’s the tenant who pays the taxes so the unit can be offered at a lower NNN lease rate for that period.

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#427 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 09:15 AM

But will these units be cheaper? Also, isn't only part of the project covered by the tax deferment?

 

Cheaper than what?  There is no other building like this to compare to.  It can't be done.

 

But don't ignore the laws of economics.   Walmart does not have 60% of the retail market and thus increases prices since they can.  They got there by being and continuing to be the cheapest.

 

This building may get some redictuonsin input costs, all economic law says they will pass those savings along to attract buyers.


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#428 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 08:52 AM

So doing some consulting work for a retailer I’ve discovered that almost the whole block on the west side of Douglas from Johnson to Yates is under a 6-month demolition clause. Might not mean much, but it does mean you might not expect any of the commercial tenants there to invest in anything long term on their spaces.

This may well apply to the whole square block. Yates, Broad etc.

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#429 aastra

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 10:35 AM

As of recently, you mean? Or would this be some ongoing status?

 

That block begs for heritage restorations, new levels on top and around back, and maybe an outright demolition in a couple of places only.

 

The supposed defenders of Victoria's heritage have been whiffing on softballs for at least a dozen years running, so I'm wondering if they'd even bother to show up for this one. Then again, rental apartments and/or condos would surely be involved, so I guess they'd have to say something negative about that aspect.


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#430 Rob Randall

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 10:45 AM

There are some good old buildings on that block but also an intriguing opportunity to build an inviting public inner courtyard.

 

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#431 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 11:30 AM

As of recently, you mean? Or would this be some ongoing status?

 

Oh probably been that way for years, but it is interesting that at least the landlords(s) have planned for the possibility of a demolition or substantial change.


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#432 Mike K.

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 12:10 PM

My last office in Old Town/Chinatown had one of these clauses. I suspect you might find something like this or similar to this to be in effect all throughout Old Town where the developer just wants to have the right to pursue a development before the traditional 5 year lease is up. In exchange for the clause you do get a break on the rent, so it all evens out.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 08:43 AM

Mark Walsh, secretary-treasurer for the Greater Victoria school district, said a member of the public noticed mould in a corner of the gym.

“We had a concern raised — and rightly so — about potential air-quality issues,” he said.

Testing was done and there was enough of a concern to close the facility, Walsh said.

“We decided that we just didn’t want to take any risks.”

There is no time estimate on how long the gym will stay shut.

“In the short term, while we come up with a plan, our kids are going to be facilitated through outdoor use,” Walsh said.

“We also have the theatre space … so they could use that for basketball if we can get some temporary nets, that kind of thing.”

The rest of the school, which currently hosts continuing and alternative education programs, will remain open.

The previously established district plan is to move S.J. Willis programs to the former Burnside Elementary School, which is being refurbished, while the S.J. Willis building becomes swing space as other schools undergo seismic work.

Walsh said S.J. Willis needs upgrading in the millions of dollars before other schools can move in, but there is no funding available right now.

“We’ve not done a good job as a school district over the last 30 years maintaining S.J. Willis,” he said.

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i hope that doesn't mean they are (or were) planning to demolish it. how many other schools have an entry hall like this

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with those windows you may think this is a cathedral somewhere but nope it's the gym at sj willis.
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#434 Midnightly

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 12:53 AM

with the current situation in the schools of Victoria i would hope they wouldn't be looking into tearing down any schools.. and that gym looks huge!



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Posted 02 April 2018 - 06:01 PM

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The stately Bank of Montreal Building at the intersection of Yates and Douglas streets has been listed for sale at $16 million. The 113-year-old bank branch is one of Capital's most iconic heritage buildings.

 

Downtown Victoria's iconic Bank of Montreal building listed for sale at $16 million

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#436 zoomer

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Posted 02 April 2018 - 06:53 PM

Assuming BoM vacate, would be nice to see this redeveloped with th facade maintained of course. This heart of downtown needs some love on three corners here - the Macs building is getting dangerously close to the point of no return. I’d prefer if Telus built their signature building using the BoM base with a complimentary modern office building rising from within.

#437 Mike K.

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Posted 02 April 2018 - 06:56 PM

The Oak Bay location will remain leased (btw, in the article it's mentioned that both the downtown and Oak Bay branches are for sale), but the agents are not overly descriptive over the future of the downtown branch. Might they be vacating the building in preparation for digs at an upcoming downtown tower? Maybe they're preparing for an eventual move to the Apex Site? Are they tenants at Douglas House (1515 Douglas)?


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