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#3101 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:40 PM

Market rates = the race to the bottom.

 

Not really.  Very, very, very few people make minimum wage.  If you take out hospitality workers that make tips, it's likely less than 3% of workers.  So nobody is hitting the bottom.


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:47 PM

Well even if pot shops and private liquor stores are paying $12 per hour that is still unacceptable and that in itself is a perfectly good reason for selling the weed in a Goverment store where fair wages and fair benefits are paid. ANywhere else is not good.

 

If Private stores want to be taken seriously they can start by paying their employees a decent wage.



#3103 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:50 PM

If Private stores want to be taken seriously they can start by paying their employees a decent wage.

 

How do you mean by taken seriously?  The largest liquor store on Vancouver Island is a private store.  That's pretty serious.


<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:07 PM

If you are referring to liquor planet on millstream rd it may very well be the largest in sq ft but tbat doesnt mean they pay their staff an honest wage or that they do more business i can atest that it is dead there most of the time when government store are always busy so having the largest store witb gimmicks such as toys and dinosaurs to get people inside is not valid

#3105 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:13 PM

If you are referring to liquor planet on millstream rd it may very well be the largest in sq ft but tbat doesnt mean they pay their staff an honest wage 

 

They pay the amount of wages required to recruit and retain qualified staff.  Not a penny more.  That's how private businesses do things.   Same as your hair-cutter, HB.  You don't hand over an extra $10 each time you get your hair cut do you, to give the person an "honest wage"?


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<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

#3106 Nparker

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:56 PM

...You don't hand over an extra $10 each time you get your hair cut do you, to give the person an "honest wage"?

Have you never tipped  - or felt compelled to tip - your hairdresser/haircutter?



#3107 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:57 PM

Have you never tipped  - or felt compelled to tip - your hairdresser/haircutter?

 

Yes, I do.  


<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

#3108 nagel

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:58 PM

Have you never tipped  - or felt compelled to tip - your hairdresser/haircutter?

yeah that's pretty standard for hair cuts and for many, $10 would be a poor tip.  of course, I cut my own hair.


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#3109 Mike K.

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 03:09 PM

$10 a poor tip? Jesus, my buzz cuts back when I went in to Jimmy's would cost $12+$3 tip.


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#3110 lanforod

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 03:26 PM

I tip similar for hair cuts as for food service. About 15%. So for a $20 haircut, I'll tip $3. The haircut takes 20 minutes max, and theres usually a lineup, so if they make $9/hr in tips on top of minimum wage, that's very good money. They don't have to share their tips with cooks etc. like servers typically do.


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#3111 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 03:31 PM

My haircut is $13 and I usually tip $5.

But what I'm getting at with HB's fair wage thing is, if you can get a guy to cut your lawn weekly for $30, or the identical job for $25, which person are you going to hire?
<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

#3112 HB

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 04:08 PM

They pay the amount of wages required to recruit and retain qualified staff. Not a penny more. That's how private businesses do things. Same as your hair-cutter, HB. You don't hand over an extra $10 each time you get your hair cut do you, to give the person an "honest wage"?

you have taken,the,subject on a weird journey your comment proves my point pot should be sold in a controlled manner in bc liquor stores,where the,taxes,and profits,will go towards,paying fair and decent wages to the employees instead of into the pockets of privates businesses where as you put it tbe employer pays the bare minimum to retain staff not one penny more no benwfits such as medical pension rrsps

#3113 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 04:25 PM

But in private business, say like Walmart, they drive prices to rock bottom. That leaves more money in your pocket after you buy toilet paper. To spend elsewhere. That's great for the economy.
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<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

#3114 HB

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 04:42 PM

Walmart wont be selling pot this discussion is still about whether private or government liquor stores should sell pot i say government because its more of a controlled environment and they pay their employees a good wage not a wage that is below the poverty line such as what privates are paying trying to derail the topic by bring up toilet paper prices is lame and you know better than to do that


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#3115 Szeven

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 05:47 PM

The question must be asked then where is the line on what should be sold by government by highly paid staff and what should be sold by private industry by supply and demand determined wages.

So far we have liquor and pot as government and toilet paper and haircuts as private. So does that mean the line is controlled substances? Should we be closing up private pharmacy? What about bartender's? Barista's? One could go on forever!

#3116 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 06:03 PM

^ tobacco should be the model. Huge taxes, available everywhere.
<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

#3117 jonny

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 08:14 PM

Government should not be in the retail industry. Maybe they should sell clothes at a "fair wage"? What about gasoline? Groceries? Retail jobs should be for young people getting a start. They shouldn't be careers for losers who can't be bothered to develop some actual skills.

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#3118 dasmo

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 05:09 AM

Ya, no thanks to communism... Legalize it, Tax it, and let the market decide who sells it a grows it. Let the regulations of local areas decide where and if it can be sold through licensing.
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#3119 HB

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 07:23 AM

Selling liquor in grocery stores and corner store was a failure so Government still has control

 

Maybe the druggies can lobby governments to sell it in 7-11 and the Dutch Bakery too



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Posted 04 December 2015 - 08:16 AM

Selling liquor in grocery stores and corner store was a failure so Government still has control

 

 

That's only because of the distance rules, and the tight control the government wouldn't give up, particularly on pricing. It works fine in most of the world.



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