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#101
Posted 16 June 2011 - 05:24 AM
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#102
Posted 16 June 2011 - 07:56 AM
Websites are popping up where you can post pics and tag offenders.
ie: http://www.facebook....218307958191810
http://www.facebook....121837081234162
Won't be longer before we have pictures of Harper looting stores with the page and her sign running along behind him.
Unfortunately technology works both ways!
#103
Posted 16 June 2011 - 10:25 AM
Obviously Vancouver cannot host an event like this. Boston was not allowing mass downtown events and I think in future Vancouver will have to go the same way.
Things like this make me think of Vancouver Island secession as a positive idea to remove my personal image from such filth.
#104
Posted 16 June 2011 - 04:28 PM
Has the NHL/Canucks offered to help pay for the cleanup costs resulting from the riots? The team raked in untold millions throughout the lead up to last nights game and it would be shameful if they failed to step up and assist in some way.
Having said that, the police presence last night was miniscule. The police reacted to the riots instead of being pro-active and quelling any anti-social behaviour before it even started. Vancouver's police chief even admitted that hundreds of officers were called into downtown after the riots began. They should have been there from the get go considering everyone and their grandmother foretold of rioting, win or lose.
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#105
Posted 16 June 2011 - 06:41 PM
#106
Posted 17 June 2011 - 07:44 AM
But in this instance everyone was talking about a riot and the police should have known that 100,000 revelers would be likely to engage in violent activity if instigated by a select few (which we see time and time again during large protests across this country -- they've behaviour is no secret!).
And to boot, the report compiled after the 1994 riots had recommendations that were not heeded by the police and the city, and the author of the report was frustrated because so much of what went on could have been easily prevented (such as ensuring no vehicles entered a wide 'no vehicle' zone well ahead of the games, and all vehicles left behind towed out of the zone). The car fires, according to psychologists interviewed, have an effect on people and lead for more violence.
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#107
Posted 17 June 2011 - 07:53 AM
The police response in 1994 ended up making this worse for some of the time in 1994. There was one case where the police were using tear gas to move a crowd down one street meanwhile two blocks down there was a group of police pushing another crowd towards the first one.
I ended up in a bar less than two blocks from the heart of the '94 riot and noticed nothing until I saw coverage on the TV.
The riot on the first Saturday of the Olympics was a small crowd and were very effectively marshaled by the police till they managed to isolate them and arrest them.
What was different in 2011 from 1994:
First and foremost, more people were Canuck crazy. The team tribalism in Vancouver is at an all time high. There is an arrogance and entitlement of the Canuck Tribe that was not there in 1994. In 1994 the Canucks had a bad season, barely made it past the first round and then ended up in the final when no one expected them to do so. This time everyone was expecting the President Trophy winning Canucks to not only make the final and then win.
Sports team tribalism is more extreme in Vancouver because the Cancucks are the only major league team in the town or province. Since 2001/02 the Cancucks have only had one losing season and won their division five out of eight times. For the young men that are fans, their memory of the team is of a dominant winning team. In the first 30 seasons the Canucks only had five winning seasons.
The people were invited to come downtown and gather in a huge crowd on the streets. People were out on Georgia Street for hours and had a couple periods of anger building up over how the game was going.
In 1994 people came into the streets after the game, it took time for people to gather. This time they were already there and fueled to do something stupid.
The police were better prepared this time than in 1994, but keep in mind the police were outnumbered 200 or 300 to 1. They needed to first let as many people go away as possible to start to make the situation manageable. The police did manage to take control much sooner than I would have expected and the damage was actually quite localized and not that bad considering the size of the crowd.
In 1994 there was not the downtown build up of crowds in each game like this time. The crowds in games 1-6 were large, were drinking, but did not riot.
Different this time around is that there are people that have wanted to have riots and they were there in the hopes of a riot. It reminds me of the Kelowna Regatta - after the first riot, each of the next years the Regatta was held there was a riot again until the Regatta was canceled.
#108
Posted 17 June 2011 - 08:20 AM
That's right. People at the bar where I was watching the game were talking about an upcoming riot hours before the game ended. Win or lose, a lot of people expected a riot which is what makes the police presence and subsequent response too little too late.Different this time around is that there are people that have wanted to have riots and they were there in the hopes of a riot. It reminds me of the Kelowna Regatta - after the first riot, each of the next years the Regatta was held there was a riot again until the Regatta was canceled.
Can you imagine being helpless in your place of business as rioters threw stones through your windows? The reports of business owners who were hiding out in their stores are harrowing. One fellow had to pull out a knife to keep rioters from entering his store and potentially harming employees.
With stories of complete lawlessness and innocent people's lives being in danger, are we really to believe that the police presence and subsequent response was adequate? For now a lot of people are getting emotional and voicing their opinions on the foolishness of the rioting and how it doesn't represent true Vancouverites, etc., but once the dust settles I can see several gaping holes being exposed in the police response. Expect to hear more from the fellow who authored the report on the 1994 riots, and who subsequently after Wednesday's events pointed out several flaws in the response and wondered why multiple recommendations that would have prevented some of what happened went unheeded.
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#109
Posted 17 June 2011 - 08:36 AM
For the young men that are fans, their memory of the team is of a dominant winning team.
So they were delusional, then?
#110
Posted 17 June 2011 - 09:00 AM
The whole effort destroyed by idiots in a few hours. Lots of coverage on Seattle TV which no doubt will help many in Washington finalize their summer holiday plans. Portland probably looks good to them right now.
#111
Posted 17 June 2011 - 09:45 AM
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#112
Posted 17 June 2011 - 10:21 AM
So they were delusional, then?
If you were born after 1985, you realistically will not remember the Canucks as a team that did not normally win the majority of their games.
The last truly bad season the Cancucks had was in 1998/99.
For us older folk that have been following the team since the early 70s, we need to recognize that the Cacucks are no longer crap and are consistently one of the top teams in the league.
#113
Posted 17 June 2011 - 10:32 AM
I'll ask this again. Where is the NHL/Canucks in all of this? Shouldn't they bear some of the burden considering their event lead to the riot?
Don't you think the idiots would have done the same if Canucks had won? I think they were just looking for an occasion to do it.
#114
Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:01 AM
I know, I'm just making a joke about how the current generation of Canucks fans seemed to enjoy supporting a decent team that was consistently impotent in the playoffs but those same fans were supremely miffed when their decent team finally managed to put together a long playoff run that came up just a bit short....we need to recognize that the Canucks are no longer crap and are consistently one of the top teams in the league.
Any fan base that expects to win a championship just isn't very knowledgeable and/or experienced, in my opinion. When I say that, people usually counter with "But they won the President's Trophy!" or "I would have rather seen them lose in the first round than lose in the finals!", thus confirming my point.
#115
Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:04 AM
The mood of the crowd matters, there is a reason there were no riots during the Olympics or earlier in the playoffs. Riots take a sense of anger within the mob to have things happen.
During the Olympics, there were people that wanted to start a riot on the first Saturday. The biggest job for the police was stopping vilgalantes from going and stopping the anarchists. If the police had stood aside, all the balaclava wearing anarchists would have been pummeled by the same guys that rioted on Wednesday night.
Having been in crowds that turned into riots and ones that did not, mood matters a lot.
#116
Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:05 AM
Don't you think the idiots would have done the same if Canucks had won? I think they were just looking for an occasion to do it.
Of course they would have.
The CBC has reported that rioters are unlikely to face jail time if no prior rioting/public disturbance convictions are on their record.
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#117
Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:07 AM
I know, I'm just making a joke about how the current generation of Canucks fans seemed to enjoy supporting a decent team that was consistently impotent in the playoffs but those same fans were supremely miffed when their decent team finally managed to put together a long playoff run that came up just a bit short.
Any fan base that expects to win a championship just isn't very knowledgeable and/or experienced, in my opinion. When I say that, people usually counter with "But they won the President's Trophy!" or "I would have rather seen them lose in the first round than lose in the finals!", thus confirming my point.
Sorry, I missed the sarcasm.
It only came to me in the last two months that my sons have no memory of a bad Canucks team. As for playoffs, Canucks have done better than average in the last five years. They made the top 8 twice when they were just barely a top 8 team.
The presidents cup just does not feel the same, neither is winning the Campbell Bowl for the third time.
I like the 94 run better than this one, especially the final.
#118
Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:10 AM
Your criminal record is also no permanent. Even for a horrific crime, you can get all erased five years after your sentence is done.
#119
Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:18 AM
Of course they would have.
The CBC has reported that rioters are unlikely to face jail time if no prior rioting/public disturbance convictions are on their record.
I'm sorry, that's just wrong. I don't care if you have a clean record, if you smashed up something then you should be going to jail. If you stole a purse or cream from the Bay, you should go to jail. If you lit a police car on fire, you should go to solitary confinement for a year.
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#120
Posted 17 June 2011 - 02:15 PM
I'm sorry, that's just wrong. I don't care if you have a clean record, if you smashed up something then you should be going to jail. If you stole a purse or cream from the Bay, you should go to jail. If you lit a police car on fire, you should go to solitary confinement for a year.
But that is not how our criminal justice system works. Getting serious jail time takes a lot long term effort on the perpetrators part.
As it stands, in the political realm the Conservatives were pilloried for wanting to get tougher on crime.
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