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#41 Ryan Windsor

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 10:32 PM

Ryan and Ellen,

It was not I who spoke to the Grade 3 class at Keating Elementary. Contrary to rumours about myself being included in a slate and therefore knowing the business of other candidates, I in fact have no idea who this candidate was. On Wednesday I was in Vancouver on business all day, yesterday I was working on my chicken area with a friend and today I was busy with water quality testing. I find that to be a disgusting act by whoever choose to stoop to this level. Please do not jump to conclusions.

I am only to happy to answer questions.

You are well within your rights to publish numbers regarding anything to do with the district of Central Saanich, however at one stage it was suggested that the district had incurred legal fees in excess of half a million dollars related solely to the Residents and Ratepayers challenge of the bylaw amendment that allowed Mr. Vantreight to build the homes that he has long wanted to. That was not accurate.

According to the numbers you posted the district has spent $900,442 on legal expenses since 2008. The Residents and Ratepayers case was heard in 2011 so the majority of the costs are within this fiscal year. Central Saanich already retains legal council so part of this cost is reflected within.

In 2009 the Mount Newton Neighbourhood Association of which I have no part successfully pursued action against the district and were awarded legal costs as a result, I suspect that accounts for the sharp increase over one of those two years.

Regardless the total costs of legal council for the district according to Ellen's numbers, going on the basis that they are accurate, the total percentage of legal costs to the district including legal advice that is sought as a normal course of action for bylaw amendments is 11.7%. I agree that this is a high amount. As RJAG suggested the motivations were not to punish some farmer but rather to recognize the values associated with preserving sensitive areas in Central Saanich. Many have said that the rocky land is unfarmable, which people interpret as meaning the land has no value, to be sure that means monetary value from farming activity. Respectfully based on my understanding of the world and the environment there are more important valuations than money. I understand that you disagree, that won't deter me from trying to prevent further damage to our environment.

@RJAG

The CRD overruled Central Saanich on the Co-op relocation to the corner of West Saanich and Keating X Road because Central Saanich signed the Regional Context Statement with the CRD which incorporates our OCP with the Regional Growth Statement. The piece of Provincial legislation that assigns legal standing to our OCP is the Local Government Act of BC.

In the case of the Vantreight development bylaw amendment, it appears that the courts rather cleverly avoided addressing the legal power of the Local Government Act. A strange double standard, don't you think? The plan is flexible enough to allow development in existing areas and does allow changes of use in those same areas. What it also says is that according to the most up to date thinking on how to protect the environment and arable farm land there is a need to keep the development in the Keating, Saanichton and Brentwood areas.

Notably I would like to thank you @RJAG for recognizing that despite the outcome of the case we indeed had good intentions. Ultimately you are correct the courts ruled differently than I would have expected especially given the supplemental decision of the CRD in relation to the Co-op and the earlier decision regarding the MNNA success in upholding the OCP regarding the waterline. [more info at http://www.senanus.net/CSWVA.html]

I support development and redevelopment in those areas contrary to what has been circulated in this very heated campaign.

#42 rjag

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 10:56 PM

Regardless of the outcome, it takes a lot to step up and throw your hat in the ring. Good luck to you tomorrow!

#43 Ryan Windsor

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:05 PM

Regardless of the outcome, it takes a lot to step up and throw your hat in the ring. Good luck to you tomorrow!


I have learned a good deal and have realized that standing up for what you believe can earn you just as many critics as allies. There is a good deal of wisdom in the statement "both are needed". The members of this forum who took the time to post in my thread, despite the bumps and bruises, have taught me more than they realize.

Cheers
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#44 EllenGruenbaum

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:16 PM

I had initially thought you were doing it intentionally, the pompous condescension which permeates virtually everything you say and every word that you type. I realize now that you are really just that arrogant.
As though expressing the amount that you and Stroud cost Central Saanich as a percentage had some sort of meaning. How about this, how about the amount that you cost Central Saanich is roughly four times the annual median income of a Canadian citizen. Do you know what percent that is Ryan?
It's interesting that you managed to write a book length response without actually addressing anything at all.

But let me step back for a moment and ask the question differently.

Are you saying that you have done nothing wrong? That you haven't engaged in any questionable behaviour whatsoever? That all of your actions have been completely faultless? That your obfuscation and lack of transparency regarding your affiliation with the ratepayers; rather than being a negative thing, is actually somehow indicative of your competency as a leader?
Are you suggesting that everyone who has expressed concern at your actions is simply a misguided idiot whom you need to condescend to and patiently explain the Windsor version of reality?

Do you talk to your family the way you talk to the public? If so my heart goes out to them.

And by the way, what kind of grown man uses smiley face emoticons in their missives?

#45 Ryan Windsor

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:35 PM

That is absolutely disgusting. Ryan Windsor should be ashamed of himself.


This is what I was referring to. You asserted that I was the one who attended the Grade 3 class at Keating Elementary School. I WAS NOT at Keating telling people not to vote for people who do not live in Central Saanich.

As for the public I am not addressing them. I am addressing you, an individual who has taken to attacking me while attempting to legitimize statements about me personally with numbers. You crossed the line not me.

#46 Ryan Windsor

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:44 PM

Are you saying that you have done nothing wrong? That you haven't engaged in any questionable behaviour whatsoever? That all of your actions have been completely faultless? That your obfuscation and lack of transparency regarding your affiliation with the ratepayers; rather than being a negative thing, is actually somehow indicative of your competency as a leader?
Are you suggesting that everyone who has expressed concern at your actions is simply a misguided idiot whom you need to condescend to and patiently explain the Windsor version of reality?

Do you talk to your family the way you talk to the public? If so my heart goes out to them.

And by the way, what kind of grown man uses smiley face emoticons in their missives?


I resigned from the Ratepayers, not because I was ashamed, but simply because I decided on my own to seek public office.

For this decision I have been rewarded by people who choose to attack a decision I made as part of a group to pursue action in the judicial system that is provided by the Canadian Constitution. I would caution you now not to insinuate that I have engaged in criminal activity as a result of your opinion that I have engaged in wrongful behaviour for taking part in the RRoCSS action against the municipality. Any such assertion will result in the pursuit of vigorous defence of my character using any and all means at my disposal.

The levity of using "smiley" faces will not occur in this message as it did in the other. I would suggest that we disengage from this conversation here and now as it has ceased to be in the public interest for you to attack me personally.

#47 EllenGruenbaum

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:48 PM

This is what I was referring to. You asserted that I was the one who attended the Grade 3 class at Keating Elementary School. I WAS NOT at Keating telling people not to vote for people who do not live in Central Saanich.

As for the public I am not addressing them. I am addressing you, an individual who has taken to attacking me while attempting to legitimize statements about me personally with numbers. You crossed the line not me.


Hi Ryan,

Apparently you are not clear on what the word "assert" means. So let me help you. I realize that you aren't any sort of scholar so I will presume you aren't trying to use the OED meaning of "assert" which is
[f. L. assert- ppl. stem of as-serĕre (f. ad to + serĕre to join, put) to put one's hand on the head of a slave, either to set him free or claim him for servitude, hence, to set free, protect, defend; to appropriate, etc.

More likely you are trying to use it in a way which would be synonymous with
allege,aver, claim, declare or maintain. That's fine, it is an accepted usage. However if you were to read what I wrote it's rather clear that I claimed nothing, I declared nothing, I alleged nothing, and I maintained nothing. Rather I responded with a proper level of shock and revulsion to an allegation made by another member of the forum.

Is all of this clear to you? Do you think attacking me on this forum is an acceptable sort of behaviour for a candidate? Do you really think that somehow I am not the public?

You have some growing up to do Ryan Windsor.

#48 Ryan Windsor

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:51 PM

You reinforced an allegation that you did not know to be true. Do you know what Libel (defamation) is?

#49 EllenGruenbaum

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:56 PM

Do you know what vexatious litigation is? If you think bullying me is appropriate then fine.

I'm very very sorry Ryan Windsor. I did not know whether or not the claim made about you harassing grade school children was true or not, I am glad that you have told me that you have done nothing questionable or bad or wrong. I should not have responded with the level of shock that I did until I had asked you to personally confirm the veracity of the incident. If I could delete the post I would with all possible haste.
Please Ryan Windsor, don't sue me. Please accept my apology and stop threatening me. I beg of you, I am barely making ends meet and a legal battle would ruin my life for good.

I am very sorry, please don't do anything rash.

E.G.

#50 Ryan Windsor

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:58 PM

Do you know what vexatious litigation is? If you think bullying me is appropriate then fine.

I'm very very sorry Ryan Windsor. I did not know whether or not the claim made about you harassing grade school children was true or not, I still don't. But I should not have responded with the level of shock that I did until I had asked you to personally confirm the veracity of the incident. If I could delete the post I would with all possible haste.
Please Ryan Windsor, don't sue me. Please accept my apology and stop threatening me. I beg of you, I am barely making ends meet and a legal battle would ruin my life for good.

I am very sorry, please don't do anything rash.

E.G.


I am not going to sue you. I personally do not like litigation, the only time I have ever been involved in litigation is the one RRoCSS case.

This whole thing has gotten out of hand. My apologies to you Ms Gruenbaum. I can assure you that I was not the one speaking with the Grade 3 class, I find the politicization of children to be extremely troubling and inappropriate. Having a young one myself I know they have better things to do with their time than be messengers to their parents for politicians.

#51 Wayne Spencer

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:12 AM

I am not going to sue you. I personally do not like litigation, the only time I have ever been involved in litigation is the one RRoCSS case.

This whole thing has gotten out of hand. My apologies to you Ms Gruenbaum. I can assure you that I was not the one speaking with the Grade 3 class, I find the politicization of children to be extremely troubling and inappropriate. Having a young one myself I know they have better things to do with their time than be messengers to their parents for politicians.


To any reading the above volley please not that at the request of Mme Pike I spoke at my sons class. They are doing a politics module and the Mme Pike asked if I could spare some time and come and talk to her class about what council does. While I was leaving I was asked if I could also speak at Mme Gaultres's ( sorry if I got the spelling wrong) class as well. In neither class did I say that parents should not vote for anybody. I spoke briefly about what council does how municipalities tax property and business and then answered questions.

I was not using children to get votes for me or anybody else. I was not sending them home with negative messages and I certainly would not tell children who not to vote for. Both teachers asked for flyers for the classes so the parents would know who had spoken to their children.

I leave you all with the same message I left the children. Tell your parents to get out and vote.



Wayne Spencer

#52 Ryan Smith

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 08:42 AM

Wayne - good on you for letting people know it was you, but I have to say, in my opinion this was VERY poor judgment on your part. If the true intent was to talk to the kids on what you noted above, why would you not request of the teacher to hold hold off a week and talk to the class after the election, rather than a few days before the election. This removes the perception of any hidden agendas. The only reason I can think is an effort to get some votes out of it. Again, very poor judgment in my opinion.

#53 Wayne Spencer

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 10:47 AM

Wayne - good on you for letting people know it was you, but I have to say, in my opinion this was VERY poor judgment on your part. If the true intent was to talk to the kids on what you noted above, why would you not request of the teacher to hold hold off a week and talk to the class after the election, rather than a few days before the election. This removes the perception of any hidden agendas. The only reason I can think is an effort to get some votes out of it. Again, very poor judgment in my opinion.


Ryan,

When the Mme Pike asked me two weeks ago she said that they were starting the module then. As you may know children of that age have a limited attention span and she had wanted the talk now that there was so many signs and flyers all over the place. It is easy to have them relate to what is going on and how important it is.

I was not trying to win votes with the parents as I already know most of the them at least to say hi and I am sure most parents know I am running and had already made up there mind if they were going to vote for me.

Wayne Spencer, CGA

#54 Ryan Smith

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:10 PM

I would caution you now not to insinuate that I have engaged in criminal activity as a result of your opinion that I have engaged in wrongful behaviour for taking part in the RRoCSS action against the municipality.


What the heck were you reading? No where in her post does she talk about or insinuate criminal activity. Maybe that mail out was correct about your angry outbursts. All I read was that she thinks, as do so many other residents, that the action of RRoCSS was a complete waste of taxpayers money. And, that this special interest group thinks their beliefs, albeit a far minority voice of residents in Central Saanich, override the voice of those elected using a democratic process. Her message about your self perception, in my opinion, is bang on!

When you sit back and reflect on what you have learned in going through this process, I hope you realize how ignorant, arrogant, and to be frank, how stupid, you really come across. Try talking with people rather than lecturing to them.

#55 Schnook

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:30 PM

DNFTT :cool:

#56 MarkSaltzman

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:11 PM

Not having things go his way and then threatening to sue seems to be a theme with Windsor doesn't it?
It's pretty frightening that a guy who would attack a woman because he doesn't like her opinions could be on council in a few hours.

#57 Schnook

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 07:21 PM

Oh ye of fake names and multiple IDs... :rolleyes:

#58 Ryan Windsor

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 11:18 PM

What the heck were you reading? No where in her post does she talk about or insinuate criminal activity. Maybe that mail out was correct about your angry outbursts. All I read was that she thinks, as do so many other residents, that the action of RRoCSS was a complete waste of taxpayers money. And, that this special interest group thinks their beliefs, albeit a far minority voice of residents in Central Saanich, override the voice of those elected using a democratic process. Her message about your self perception, in my opinion, is bang on!

When you sit back and reflect on what you have learned in going through this process, I hope you realize how ignorant, arrogant, and to be frank, how stupid, you really come across. Try talking with people rather than lecturing to them.


Sorry you feel as you do Ryan. I never actually said I would sue the individual, all I asked was whether the person known as EllenGruenbaum knew what libel was? The person interpreted that as a threat to sue which it was not.

I am moving on now that we have the result. You'll be interested to know that I have no plans to rejoin the Residents and Ratepayers of Central Saanich nor any particular desire to pursue matters with you Mr. Smith any further.

Good night and good luck.

Ryan Windsor

#59 Rob Randall

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 02:30 PM

Central Saanich Mayor Ryan Windsor declined to discuss the details that led to the departure of chief administrative officer Patrick Robins, but promised that the municipality remains in good hands.

Central Saanich announced in the morning hours of Feb. 11 that it would be the last day of work for Robins, who had been with the District since summer 2012. “While there have been a lot of contributions made by Mr. Robins over the last seven-and-a-half years, council and Mr. Robins have come to a point where it is time to go in a different direction by mutual agreement,” said Windsor in an interview.

 

 

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